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|    Ardith Hinton to Gleb Hlebov    |
|    Grammar in the Bar    |
|    12 Jul 24 20:30:38    |
      MSGID: 1:153/716.0 691a6f04       REPLY: 2:5023/24.4222 66823708       CHRS: IBMPC 2       Hi, Gleb! Recently you wrote in a message to Alexander Koryagin:              [WRT the "Oxford" or "Harvard" comma]:        AH>> It's a matter of style, not an absolute requirement, and        AH>> some people recommend using it only when it's needed to        AH>> avoid confusion:        AH>> Through the window I saw John, a basketball player and a        AH>> friend of mine.        AK>> Are there three of them? ;-)       GH> Now that I'm reading it I indeed see 3 different persons.               Exactly my point... I can't be sure because I don't know the author.               If I were making introductions I might say "I'd like you to meet       John, a basketball player (or a chemistry student or whatever else might       interest you) and a neighbour of ours." This way you have some idea what the       two of you might have in common. But if others use punctuation a bit too       sparingly I have little evidence as to whether this person is simply offering       further detail about John.                      AK> If we have a good list (of names, for instance) we would have:        AK> Through the window I saw John, Peter and Paul, who staggered out        AK> from the pub.              GH> Does "who" indicate all of them, or just Paul?               Beats me. I'd suggest asking Alexander, as you did... [chuckle].                     GH> ... End of message, Alexander. Confused? Me too! :-)               Uh-huh. So why not bother with an added comma which might help?        :-))                                   --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+        * Origin: Wits' End, Vancouver CANADA (1:153/716)       SEEN-BY: 1/120 4/0 18/0 80/1 88/0 90/0 1 92/1 104/119 105/81 106/201       SEEN-BY: 116/116 123/0 10 25 126 180 200 755 3001 128/260 129/305       SEEN-BY: 135/115 138/146 153/757 7715 154/10 30 50 700 218/700 840       SEEN-BY: 220/90 221/1 6 360 222/2 226/30 50 227/114 229/110 112 113       SEEN-BY: 229/206 300 317 426 428 470 664 700 240/1120 250/1 261/38       SEEN-BY: 266/512 275/100 1000 282/1038 291/111 301/1 320/219 322/757       SEEN-BY: 335/364 341/66 200 234 342/11 200 396/45 460/58 712/848 1321       SEEN-BY: 880/1 900/0 100 102 106 108 902/0 7 10 19 25 26 27 100 2320/105       SEEN-BY: 3634/0 12 27 56 57 58 5020/400 1042 5075/35       PATH: 153/7715 3634/12 154/10 221/6 341/66 902/26 90/1 229/426           |
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