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|    Ardith Hinton to Alexander Koryagin    |
|    Grammar in the Bar    |
|    27 Jun 24 00:06:32    |
      MSGID: 1:153/716.0 67ce0884       REPLY: 2:221/6.0 665ec9b2       CHRS: IBMPC 2       Hi, Alexander! Recently you wrote in a message to Ardith Hinton:              AK> The comma before "and" is just an unnecessary thing that       AK> provides anything to make the understanding more clear.               It's a matter of style, not an absolute requirement, and some people       recommend using it only when it's needed to avoid confusion:               Through the window I saw John, a basketball player and a friend of        mine.              What is this friend's name, and is he a basketball player? I have no idea. I       found the example in Wikipedia... I didn't personally invent it.                      I asked for coffee with a breakfast of pancakes, bacon & eggs, hot       buttered toast and hash brown potatoes.                     At 5WPM I can type an added comma without having to fret about whether someone       from ElseWhere will think I buttered the hash browns *after* they were cooked.       For me it's easier to use the Oxford comma routinely in such a list than to go       into detail about why buttering such things on the plate may not work.               If Denis asks I'll do the latter, but other folks may not care. :-Q                             BTW, here's a joke Dallas found shortly before your message arrived:               I like cooking my family and my pets.        -- commas save lives                            AK> With the same success you can put "and" before every       AK> comma in the list. ;-)               I suppose you could in many cases. But as Anton says, in English it       is generally considered desirable to avoid unnecessary verbiage.... [chuckle].                                   --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+        * Origin: Wits' End, Vancouver CANADA (1:153/716)       SEEN-BY: 1/120 4/0 18/0 80/1 88/0 90/0 1 92/1 105/81 106/201 116/116       SEEN-BY: 123/0 10 25 126 180 200 755 3001 128/260 129/305 135/115       SEEN-BY: 138/146 153/757 7715 154/10 30 50 700 218/700 840 220/90       SEEN-BY: 221/1 6 360 222/2 226/30 50 227/114 229/110 112 113 206 300       SEEN-BY: 229/317 426 428 470 664 700 240/1120 250/1 261/38 266/512       SEEN-BY: 275/100 1000 282/1038 291/111 301/1 320/219 322/757 335/364       SEEN-BY: 341/66 200 234 342/11 200 396/45 460/58 712/848 1321 900/0       SEEN-BY: 900/100 102 106 108 902/0 7 10 19 25 26 27 100 2320/105 3634/0       SEEN-BY: 3634/12 27 56 57 5020/400 1042 5075/35       PATH: 153/7715 3634/12 154/10 221/6 341/66 902/26 90/1 229/426           |
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