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   Hi, Ardith Hinton!   
   I read your message from 17.12.2023 02:00   
      
    AK>> ========   
    GH>> Steak and kidney pie is a popular British dish. It is a savoury   
    GH>> pie filled principally with a mixture of diced beef, diced kidney   
    GH>> (which may be beef, lamb, veal, or pork) and onion. (google)   
    AK>> ========   
      
    AK>> "Steak and kidney pie" _are_ different dishes.   
      
    AH> No. Would you say fish & chips, macaroni & cheese, or corned beef &   
    AH> cabbage are separate dishes? To me, as a person with ex-Brit roots,   
      
   I've said "different". Nobody can prohibit you eat them together. ;)   
      
    AH> these are classic combinations which I think of as a unit. I don't   
    AH> know of anyone who'd eat a pie made only with kidneys &/or boiled   
    AH> macaroni with cheese on the side, but I do know of various ways to   
    AH> serve most of the items listed above.   
      
   What is a dish after all, according to Longman?   
   -----Beginning of the citation-----   
   3. food cooked or prepared in a particular way as a meal :   
   a wonderful pasta dish   
   The menu includes a wide selection of vegetarian dishes.   
   This soup is substantial enough to serve as a  main dish  (= the biggest part   
   of a meal ) .   
   ----- The end of the citation -----   
      
    AH> Because English isn't your native language you translate thiggs   
    AH> like this word for word. I'm told the same occurs when Canadians   
    AH> are travelling in Florida, BTW, so you needn't feel embarrassed...   
    AH> [grin].   
      
    AK>> "Steak" is just a piece of meat, IMHO.   
      
    AH> If you tell me you had steak for dinner, yes. I'd say the same when   
    AH> I've bought a large piece at the grocery store & cut it up to feed   
    AH> the family. But at a restaurant people usually order single   
    AH> servings by weight. You might ask for a ten-ounce steak, e..,,   
    AH> while your companion wants more or less. :-)   
      
   ....and two-ounce steak to my wife. ;-)   
      
    AK>> I also suspect that the more the speech is informal the less   
    AK>> articles it contains. ;-)   
      
    GH>> I don't think there's such a connection, or dependency. But   
    GH>> without tutors it's getting hard to settle this kind of   
    GH>> dispute. :-)   
      
    AH> I'm here. While I can't always keep up with you guys, I'm delighted   
    AH> to see the increase in traffic since Gleb joined us in   
    AH> ENGLISH_TUTOR.... :-))   
      
   After all when people speak they don't use any commas. A sentence - that is   
   the main lexical unit, IMHO. ;) An English person pronounces words in such a   
   way that no commas can help for the listener. Only the experience to listen it   
   from the birth. The melody of phrases.   
      
   Bye, Ardith!   
   Alexander Koryagin   
   english_tutor 2023   
      
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