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|    Alexander Koryagin to Gleb Hlebov    |
|    A pie    |
|    07 Dec 23 09:02:46    |
      MSGID: 2:221/6.0 65716e10       REPLY: 2:5023/24.4222 656f0fee       PID: SmapiNNTPd/Linux/IPv6 3.0 20231203       NOTE: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101       Thunderbird/31.7.0.       CHRS: LATIN-1 2       TZUTC: 0200              Hi, Gleb Hlebov!       I read your message from 05.12.2023 12:56               AK>> Well, a pie can be cut into portions, but anyway it should        AK>> theoretically remained a pie. IMPOV. ;)               GH> Sometimes it may not work this way. E. g. talking about food, you        GH> can hear something along the lines of:               GH> "...Nutella has become out comfort food, we like it with banana or        GH> pretzels."              Nutella is like ice-cream, it is understandable.       out ?-> our       banana ?-> bananas               GH> Many types of food (besides pie, cake, ice cream, candy etc.) can        GH> be referred to as uncountable when served in slices, even if you        GH> still think of it as "countable".               GH> On the other hand, mentioned as a dish, like a menu item you may        GH> order in a cafe or restaurant, it should be referred to as        GH> countable:        GH> "...They got a cherry pie there that'll kill ya!"        GH> So, again, it's complicated.              I think that the matter is simpler. When they say in the dictionary that pie       is both countable and uncountable in use they just mean that you _can_ put an       indefinite article before "pie", or you are free not to put it. The same       situation with steak:              "I had steak and kidney pie with chips"       but probably is also correct       "I had a steak and (a) kidney pie with chips"              I also suspect that the more the speech is informal the less articles it       contains. ;-)              Bye, Gleb!       Alexander Koryagin       english_tutor 2023              ---        * Origin: nntp://news.fidonet.fi (2:221/6.0)       SEEN-BY: 1/123 10/0 1 15/0 90/1 102/401 103/1 705 105/81 106/201 123/131       SEEN-BY: 128/260 129/305 153/7715 154/10 214/22 218/0 1 215 601 700       SEEN-BY: 218/720 840 850 860 870 880 930 221/1 6 226/30 227/114 229/110       SEEN-BY: 229/112 113 206 307 317 426 428 470 664 700 240/1120 266/512       SEEN-BY: 282/1038 291/111 301/1 113 320/219 322/757 335/364 341/66       SEEN-BY: 341/234 342/200 396/45 460/58 712/848 5020/400 1042 5075/35       PATH: 221/6 301/1 218/700 229/426           |
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