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|    Dorothy Sayers on `shall' and `will'    |
|    27 Sep 22 12:54:44    |
      MSGID: 2:221/6.0 6332c860       PID: SmapiNNTPd/Linux/IPv6 1.3 20220912       EID: Sylpheed 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.24.23; i686-pc-mingw32).       CHRS: CP437 2       TZUTC: 0300       TID: hpt/lnx 1.9 2022-07-03       Hello, all              I have been reading Dorothy Sayers essays on the train, and       enjoying them very much. Here are her remarks on `shall'       and `will', which I can't help quoting:               Let us take as our example that famous distinction which we        English alone in all the world know how to make: the        distinction between "shall" and "will." "The mere        Englishman," says Mr. H. W. Fowler, "if he reflects upon the        matter at all, is convinced that his shall and will endows        his speech with a delicate precision that could not be        attained without it, and serves more important purposes than        that of a race-label." (Mark, in passing, how slyly the        scholar is here laughing in his sleeve at those to whom one        word is as good as another. "Mere Englishman," says he,        knowing that this will be taken for mock humility. But he        knows, too, that merus means "pure," and that when Queen        Elizabeth called herself "mere English" she meant it for a        boast.) Indeed, the distinction is no empty one: "I will do        it" (with reluctance, but you force me); "I shall do it"        (and God and His angels have no power to stay me).               Consider this sentence, taken from a short novel which        contains no fewer than forty-three incorrect uses of "will"        and "would":               I am also thinking about getting some work. It should be        easy, because I won't be pushed by necessity.               It looks like a failure of logic. If the speaker is        determined not to be pushed by his necessity into whatever        work shall offer itself, then, one would say, a man so        necessitous and so obstinate will not easily find work        before he perishes of his necessities. But the context shows        that the author does not mean this. He means: "I shall not        be pushed by necessity (because I have plenty of money), and        can therefore afford to take a job with small pay; and that        should be easy to find."               Is this a trifling matter, not worth making clear? Then see        how you can destroy the most beautiful parable in Scripture        by using the one word for the other:               I shall arise and go to my father and shall say unto him        ...               How jaunty the words are now; how cocksure; how        hypocritical; how they compel the sneering comment, "and the        poor old blighter will fall for the sob-stuff again."[2]               Remember, too, how the late Lord Oxford, who was a stylist,        refused on a famous occasion to surrender the hammer-stroke        of "shall," even when faced by a conglomeration of sibilants        that might have daunted the most courageous orator:               We shall not sheathe the sword that we have not lightly        drawn...               Not promise; but prophecy.               Does anybody, possessing a tool that will do such delicate        work so easily, really desire to abandon it? It is being        abandoned. We are letting "shall" and "should" drift out of        our hands while we labour to do their work, crudely and        coarsely, with "will" and "would." Even so correct and        elegant a writer as Mr. Robert Graves is losing his English        ear and writing: "I would like to," and "I would prefer to."        Here the use is redundant and not ambiguous; but if we do        not trouble to distinguish we shall soon lose the power of        distinguishing. Moreover, if we use "will" or "would"        wrongly nine times, and the tenth time intend it rightly,        who, the tenth time, will give us credit for good        intentions? The gentleman with the forty-three wrong uses        has perhaps a dozen right uses as well; but amid so great a        herd of goats his few innocent lambs look like strays.              This was from "The English Language":               https://www.fadedpage.com/showbook.php?pid=20170113              I like her essays much more than her detective stores, do       you?              Those interested in the correct usage of `will' and `shall'       may consult "King's English": https://www.bartleby.com/116/ .              ---         * Origin: nntp://news.fidonet.fi (2:221/6.0)       SEEN-BY: 1/19 123 15/0 16/0 19/10 37 90/1 105/81 106/201 120/340 123/130       SEEN-BY: 123/131 129/305 153/7715 203/0 218/700 221/1 6 360 227/114       SEEN-BY: 229/110 111 112 113 206 317 424 426 428 470 664 700 240/5832       SEEN-BY: 266/512 280/5003 282/1038 301/1 317/3 320/119 219 319 322/0       SEEN-BY: 322/757 335/364 341/66 234 342/200 396/45 423/81 460/58 712/848       SEEN-BY: 4500/1 5020/1042       PATH: 221/6 1 320/219 229/426           |
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