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|    Ardith Hinton to Alexander Koryagin    |
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|    04 Feb 22 23:26:15    |
      MSGID: 1:153/716.0 1fdffb40       REPLY: 2:221/6.0 61fb73fc       CHRS: IBMPC 2       Hi, Alexander! Recently you wrote in a message to Ardith Hinton:              AK> Is "the" in "Bill Clinton, the President of United States        AK> of America" correct?                        The article is optional with words like "president".               The definite article is required in "The United States of America"       because that is the official name of the country. In the common parlance we       often say "the US" or something similar... i.e. retaining the article. "The       United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" is treated in the same       manner. Colloquially, we often refer to it as "the UK".               WRT official titles like "President of the United States", or even       "former President of the United States", the article may be left out. Among       Fidonetters this title may be abbreviated as "the POTUS". But AFAIK none of       them are journalists, who say things like "US President Joe Biden". In such       cases they are using the abbreviated name of the country as an adjective. I       can't think of anybody else, however, who would actually say that... [grin].               In case my last paragraph left you & others a bit confused, I will       share with you my own experience as an actress in an elementary school play.       Years ago, when only formal English was allowed in the classroom, one of the       lines I memorized was "I'm So-and-So, president of the Ladies' Flower Club."       IOW... I regard this usage as well established & therefore have no objection       when others employ it in reference to some author, movie director, etc. :-)                                   --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+        * Origin: Wits' End, Vancouver CANADA (1:153/716)       SEEN-BY: 1/123 15/0 90/1 105/81 106/201 120/340 123/131 129/305 330       SEEN-BY: 129/331 138/146 153/757 7715 226/30 227/114 229/110 206 317       SEEN-BY: 229/424 426 664 700 240/5832 266/512 275/100 1000 282/1038       SEEN-BY: 301/1 317/3 320/219 322/757 342/11 200 396/45 460/58 640/1321       SEEN-BY: 712/848 3634/12       PATH: 153/7715 229/426           |
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