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|    Anton Shepelev to Ardith Hinton    |
|    Beauty and the Beast    |
|    24 Apr 21 17:32:10    |
      MSGID: 2:221/6.0 60842bea       REPLY: 1:153/716.0 082425c1       PID: SmapiNNTPd/Linux/IPv6 1.3 20210401       CHRS: CP437 2       TZUTC: 0300       TID: hpt/lnx 1.9.0-cur 2021-04-18       Ardith Hinton:              AH> Albrecht Durer, 1471-1528. Once again you piqued my       AH> interest because Dallas & I have a copy of "The Little       AH> Owl" dated 1508. :-)              Indeed. As a true Reneissance man, he was not only an       engraver but also an excellent painter, so that he had       "silenced all the painters who said that I was good at       engraving but could not manage color." I see little point in       having copies at home, of however great works, and prefer       genuine prints and pictures by local and less-known artists.       Several years go, my town's Exhibition Hall hosted an       exhibition of North Korean art -- from oil painitng to       embroidery. I bought there a huge oil painting depicting a       river descending from mountains onto a plain, with a tiny       bus in the extreme background, tourists like tiny specks of       color grouped around it -- a tribute to social realism       perhaps, or a way to liven up the masses of blue and green.       This picture cost me a miserable 50 dollars, so that I       wanted to pay more. Oil paintings of comparable size and       quality by local painters cost 10-20 times more! Poor North       Koreans...              AH> I don't know much about visual art in general or about       AH> this artist in particular... but I've always thought my       AH> owl looked a bit sad & began to wonder upon reading your       AH> comments what was going on in Durer's mind.              Or is it simply the empty-eyed contemplative stare of a       stuffed animal? Anyway, I like his Young Hare much better:               https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/Albrecht_       urer_-_Hare%2C_1502_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg              That serious fella has a world-wise look to his eye, has he       not? If he were not red, he would be fit for the role of the       possessed hare in The Witch (or The VVitch) -- a beautiful       movie with dialogue exclusively in Early Modern English.              AH> Uncle Google tells me the work you're referring to dates       AH> back to 1514 .. the year the artist's mother died... and       AH> it's also widely believed that his arranged marriage was       AH> not a happy one.              The medieval Melancholia represents the frigid Saturnic       Hella, the Norse mistress of the nine worlds of the dead.       Her name is connected with that of the leader of the Wild       Hunt, Helle-quin, which later became known an harlequin.       Durer worked within the Medieval worldview, and his       engravings are illustrations to Medieval mythology.              AH> I see no further evidence of sadness in what I can find       AH> on the Internet. The images there are small,              Why, the Wikipedia scan is large and good:               https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Albrecht_       urer_-_Melencolia_I_-_Google_Art_Project_(_AGDdr3EHmNGyA).jpg                     AG> however, and I am aware of other situations in which       AG> e.g. the audience wouldn't realize Beethoven was deaf       AG> when he wrote his "Ode to Joy" if they hadn't been told.              Nor would I. I have read that Beethoven used a crude hearing       aid in the form of a metal rod, of which one end was       connected with the piano strings and the other the composer       held in his teenth to feel the vibrations. This reminds me       of a Russian theater actor that went deaf at the height of       his career, but continued to act better than many that could       hear. He had an almost supernatural sense of time and       rhythm. He could act standing at the edge of the scene       facing the audience, and say his lines exactly over the last       of word of his partner behind his back. Similarly, I have a       drawing by a Russian artist who is nearly blind. She has but       8% of normal vision, and when I met her to buy the drawing       she was with a guide.              AH> While I don't think art necessarily has to be beautiful              I think art is all about beauty in all its forms.              AH> it's probably more attractive to people in general when       AH> it comes close at least. In my youth I had a rare       AH> opportunity to spend some time alone with an aunt who       AH> had received formal training in visual art whereas I was       AH> studying music. We found that many of the terms we       AH> used, such as form and texture, were identical. But       AH> being able to discuss the whys & wherefores doesn't turn       AH> people into artists or musicians.              That is true, even as being able to drive does not make you       an automotive engineer. Everybody appreciate good food but       few are good cooks.              AH> Summarizing the prose poem you mentioned above:       AH>       AH> 1). The author uses a capital letter... not unusual,       AH> based on my observations of poetry & of prayer       AH> books written around the same time. He's uncertain       AH> as to whether he ought to say "he", "she", or "it".       AH>       AH> 2) The Demon says "I've never experienced it, and now I       AH> doubt it's real."       AH>       AH> 3) The Angel's reply is more thoughtful. It suggests       AH> to me that when I find myself particularly moved by       AH> a bit of music... frisson... I am not alone.              I suppose it reflects the attitude of the characters. The       male protagonist thinks her a woman, perhaps as a symbol of       what men adore. The Demon talks about "adumbrations of some       transcendent Mystery", and calls it "the thing Beauty".       Having failed to find it, he does not believe in it, missing       the simple truth that if Beauty were found all life would       lose its meaning and cease. The Angel tells of the same       Mystery as the Demon, but concludes from it that Beauty does       exist, but is beyond men and angels, even as God is.              ---         * Origin: nntp://news.fidonet.fi (2:221/6.0)       SEEN-BY: 1/123 90/1 105/81 106/127 120/340 123/131 129/305 153/105       SEEN-BY: 153/757 802 7715 154/10 221/1 6 226/30 227/114 702 229/101       SEEN-BY: 229/424 426 664 700 1016 1017 240/5832 249/206 317 282/1038       SEEN-BY: 301/1 317/3 322/757 335/364 342/17 200 4500/1 5020/1042       PATH: 221/6 153/757 229/664 426           |
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