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   Ardith Hinton to Anton Shepelev   
   New Year's Day.   
   20 Apr 21 23:40:11   
   
   MSGID: 1:153/716.0 07f9a033   
   REPLY: 2:221/360.0 60494854   
   CHRS: IBMPC 2   
   Hi, Anton!  Recently you wrote in a message to Ardith Hinton:   
      
    [re timbre & timber]   
   AH>  The first pertains to tone colour or sound quality...   
   AH>  the acoustical principle which enables us to recognize   
   AH>  the voices of our nearest & dearest or to distinguish   
   AH>  between an oboe & a clarinet when we can't see who &/or   
   AH>  what is involved, while the second pertains to trees or   
   AH>  to the wood derived therefrom.   
      
   AS>  Thanks for the explanation, Ardith.  It was a mental   
   AS>  sleep,   
      
      
              Not to worry.  IMHO your usage of English is very good & I am quite   
   in awe of anyone here who has succeeded in mastering a foreign alphabet.  :-))   
      
      
      
   AS>  but you reminded me of this interesting phenomena,   
      
      
              Singular -- phenomenon.  Plural -- phenomena, from Latin via Greek.   
      
      
      
   AS>  when the same word imported by different routes   
   AS>  acquires different meanings.  The original   
   AS>  meaning of `timbre' is of course wood, but the   
   AS>  pecuiliar warm colouration of the sound of wooden   
   AS>  musical instruments lent the French spelling a new   
   AS>  meaning.   
      
      
              Yes, I understand.  I like the tone quality of wooden instruments &   
   I'm interested in doublets too.  Another example which stuck in my mind when I   
   first ran across it is "cattle" and "chattel".  Once again, while the meanings   
   as listed in the dictionary are not the same I can see a relationship....  :-)   
      
      
      
   AS>  Casting about for more examples, I looked up   
   AS>  friction' and `frisson' and learned the name   
   AS>  of the phenomena -- doublet.   
      
      
              I hadn't thought of this example, but my GAGE CANADIAN agrees.  :-)   
      
      
      
      
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