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   Hi, Mike!  Recently you wrote in a message to Anton Shepelev:   
      
    DM>  What is grin  ?  because I learn English from echo,   
    DM>  Friend.   
      
    MP>  It means a "smile."   
      
    AS>  Not quite, on account of grin's negative connotations.   
    AS>  Consider, if you will, Son Houses's great song "Grinnin'   
    AS>  in your face".  I think its best recording is by Son   
    AS>  himself, done acapella during the 1965 blues festival:   
      
    MP>  Well, I did not say it meant "polite smile."  :)   
      
      
             AFAIC it's not necessarily impolite either.  I saw nothing impolite   
   about the way you used this word in your response to Carol's message... and I   
   don't mean it to be taken that way when I use it in my own messages.  I could   
   point out that a lot of what Denis does is regarded as "mosaic plagiarism" or   
   "patch writing" in academic circles.  But as long as we understand what he is   
   trying to do, it's not a formal research assignment, and the original authors   
   don't object you & I may content ourselves with a "knowing smile" for now.   
      
             Various dictionaries agree that a grin is a broad smile which often   
   reveals the teeth.  WRT connotations some add that it's an expression of e.g.   
   pleasure, amusement, or possibly embarrassment... the "sheepish grin", maybe.   
   Those which relate it to negative feelings such as anger & pain, and possibly   
   triumph over someone else's misfortune, associate it *in a second definition*   
   with the snarl of an animal threatening to attack.  I did not consult Anton's   
   1913 Webster, but I did consult relatively recent UK & US & Canadian sources.   
      
             I think it's possible that North Americans tend to show their teeth   
   more readily than other folks do.  I have occasionally noticed women covering   
   their mouths when they're laughing or eating & in this case the vast majority   
   appear to come from the Middle East or Southeast Asia.  Our daughter tells me   
   it's rude to grin... evidently because somebody told her that when she was in   
   the primary grades.  But she does it when she's really enjoying herself.  :-)   
      
      
      
      
   --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+   
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