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|    Message 3,154 of 4,347    |
|    Ardith Hinton to Alexander Koryagin    |
|    A question about tenses    |
|    20 May 20 22:14:28    |
      MSGID: 1:153/716.0 ec5de433       REPLY: 2:221/6.0 5ec26a42       CHRS: IBMPC 2       Hi, Alexander! Recently you wrote in a message to Dallas Hinton:               DH> The writer is writing about events which have happened        DH> (past). We have no idea what (if anything) has transpired        DH> since. In any case, to suddenly shift from past to present        DH> would be quite jarring to the reader.               AK> BTW, Anton used such a time shift in his question. I was        AK> also told many times not to do such a thing in one sentence        AK> or even in one paragraph.                      Depends on the circumstances. If a joke begins with e.g. "Three       guys go into a bar" I expect it to continue in the same vein. OTOH... as I       remarked to Anton on April 30th... the preamble doesn't count. The present       tense may be used if we're reporting on the words of a particular writer,       regardless of when they were written, or if we're adding ideas of our own.        Similarly, if there is dialogue "s/he said" is independent of what's in the       quoted material.               I remember a song from the 1950's in which a woman tells her       children what her mother told her when she was a little girl... "What will be,       will be". Should you want to look up the lyrics, the name of this song is QUE       SERA, SERA.               Anton's question employs the present tense WRT what the author       did... an option which helps me as a reader sort it out from what other folks,       real or imagined, did. IMHO Anton made the right choice because otherwise I       might have had to re-read the sentence to be sure who banished the devil in       question. :-)                             AK> In one of his better tales, of which the original version        AK> was rejected by the mYopic editors,                      I concur that Anton was probably thinking of "myopic" in the sense       of lacking imagination or intellect. As a near-sighted person I found it       easier & more enjoyable to read books than to endure the groans of my       classmates when it seemed I couldn't hit the broadside of a barn. I also       noticed... even in grade two... that other people estimated my intelligence       more favourably when I could see the letters on the chalkboard. History       repeated itself when my high school counsellors figured out that I knew words       most kids my age didn't know.... :-Q                             AK> he banished a DEMON (or THE DEVIL)                      Careful! I would accept "a demon", or even "a devil", on the       grounds that there may be countless numbers of either. But when you say "the       devil" my Anglophone brain tends to think you're referring to Lucifer, AKA       Satan.... :-)                                   --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+        * Origin: Wits' End, Vancouver CANADA (1:153/716)       SEEN-BY: 1/120 123 18/0 90/1 116/116 120/340 601 123/0 25 50 131 150       SEEN-BY: 123/170 755 135/300 138/146 153/250 757 7715 154/10 30 40       SEEN-BY: 154/50 700 203/0 221/0 6 226/30 227/114 702 229/101 424 426       SEEN-BY: 229/664 1014 240/1120 1634 2100 5138 5832 5853 8001 8002       SEEN-BY: 240/8005 249/206 317 261/38 280/5003 313/41 317/3 320/219       SEEN-BY: 322/757 331/313 333/808 335/206 364 370 342/200 382/147 640/1384       SEEN-BY: 2454/119 3634/0 12 15 27 50 4500/1 5020/1042       PATH: 153/7715 3634/12 154/10 221/6 335/364 240/1120 5832 229/426           |
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