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|    Anton Shepelev to Ardith Hinton    |
|    A pigeon simile... 2.    |
|    01 May 20 20:20:12    |
      MSGID: 2:221/6.0 5eac5a4a       REPLY: 1:153/716.0 eab7d421       PID: SmapiNNTPd/Linux/IPv6 1.3 20200418       EID: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; arm-unknown-linux-gnueabihf)       CHRS: CP437 2       TZUTC: 0300       TID: hpt/lnx 1.9.0-cur 2020-04-15        +------------------------------------------+        | "Woes that defy the world's religions -- |        | The Spirit's brooding ills -- |        | We scatter, like a flock of pigeons, |        | With pills." |        +------------------------------------------+              > AS> We scatter like a flock of pigeons when it is startled. But       > AS> how does your reading treat the complement "with pills"?       >       > More examples:       >       > The dog retreated with its tail between its hind       > legs. The butler absconded with the family silver.       > The train departed for Montreal with Harriet on       > board. John left without saying goodbye.              I have no objections to your examples, but somehow cannot       interpret Bierce's verse in this manner. Do we scatter like a       flock of pigeons, with pills stuffed into our pockets by way of       a reassuring ballast :-?              > I would describe "with [...]" as an adverbial phrase,       > however.... :-)              In that sense, yes. It modifes the verb: retreat, abscond, depart,       but I can't help but consider "with pills" in an instrumental sense.       I trow I shall take a pause, or maybe ask my question otherwhere       and compare the answers :-P              > AS> And what are "woes" and "ills" if not the objects of       > AS> "scatter"?       >       > I interpret these "woes" and "ills"... which may be       > psychological or physical or both... as what often motivates       > human beings to use pills. The way Bierce alludes to the former,       > however, implies a bit of poetic licence.... :-)              So do I, but what is their grammatical role in the sentence. We       learners are possessed by the grammatical devils, aren't we? Oh       yes, we suretainly are... Grammar comes with a second language.              ---         * Origin: nntps://news.fidonet.fi (2:221/6.0)       SEEN-BY: 1/123 90/1 120/340 601 203/0 221/0 1 6 360 226/30 227/114       SEEN-BY: 229/101 426 664 1014 240/1120 1634 2100 5138 5832 5853 8001       SEEN-BY: 240/8002 8005 249/206 317 261/38 280/5003 5006 313/41 317/3       SEEN-BY: 320/219 322/757 335/364 342/200 382/147 423/81 2454/119 4500/1       SEEN-BY: 5020/1042       PATH: 221/6 1 280/5003 240/1120 5832 229/426           |
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