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   Hi, Anton Shepelev! -> Alexander Koryagin   
   I read your message from 29.04.2020 01:55   
      
      
    AS>>> It is not so simple, because many deathds due to COVID-19 have   
    AS>>> been caused by various compications and aggravations of pre-   
    AS>>> existent chronic illnesses, often on the background of a weak   
    AS>>> immune system. Are you familliar with the chaos theory and its   
    AS>>> herarchy of causes?   
      
    ak>> You don't hear me -- I have already told you that flu also   
    ak>> aggravates many chronic illnesses, but nobody blames flu for   
    ak>> deaths from that many illnesses. Present day statistic about   
    ak>> covid19 deaths is not correct.   
      
    AS> I am sorry. Now I see what you mean and wonder how you know that   
    AS> the death-attribution (what is the right term?) methods for the   
    AS> common flu and for COVID-19 are so very different?   
      
   Some Americans see it this way:   
   https://www.foxnews.com/politics/birx-says-government-is-classif   
   ing-all-deaths-of-patients-with-coronavirus-as-covid-19-deaths-r   
   gardless-of-cause   
   or   
   https://fxn.ws/2JKBDDX   
      
    AS> Another question -- do I understand your paragraph above as   
    AS> implying the World Health Organisation, and the governments of all   
    AS> the affected states are in collustion about using widely different   
    AS> standards for accouting deaths due to COVID-19 and due to all other   
    AS> diseases?   
      
    ak>> I told you that WHO ordered that covid19 deaths to be counted   
    ak>> differently than deaths of flue/pneumonia.   
      
    AS> I missed it. Where did you say that? Did you provide a reference to   
    AS> an official WHO regulation?   
      
   I don't know where they store their documents. But most countries now   
   count covid19 deaths as I had told.   
      
      
    AS>>> You seem to imply that we have changed the method of calculating   
    AS>>> deaths due to COVID-19. If so, what evidence do you have of it?   
    ak>> Read it in Russian: https://www.svoboda.org/a/30574844.html   
      
    AS> Although I am chary of reading such openly rusophobic resources,   
    AS> this article was not bad. It even has a very good explanation and   
    AS> justification of the new death-accounting method. I have no   
    AS> objections. It is not a dirty trick, as you call it, but a way to   
    AS> account deaths that would not have happened then and there if the   
    AS> person had not contracted the virus. Even with the corrections for   
    AS> this method of calculation, the author of that article esitmates   
    AS> the lethality of COVID as up to 10 times higher than that of the   
    AS> common flu.   
      
   Who can know "covid19 style" flu death rate if flu was never accused for   
   chronic people deaths? Most sick people with variety of illnesses have   
   poor immunity, they often catch cold, pneumonia and they die. But it is   
   the main chronic illness that had diminished their immunity, not flu!   
   The same can be told about covid19.   
      
      
    ak>> The US does numerous tests for covid19 antibodies - the marks that   
    ak>> a person has recovered from the virus. The tests show that a huge   
    ak>> number of people have such antibodies and their illness was not   
    ak>> registered when they were ill.   
      
    AS> Very well, but how come these people are "out of statistics", if   
    AS> they have been tested?   
      
   Now there is only a rough approach -- the results of antibodies tests   
   are approximated to all the population.   
      
      
    AS>>> Do you realise that it is not only old people that die by COVID?   
    AS>>> The first reporter of the beginning pandemic, now China's and the   
    AS>>> World's hero Li Winliang, died of the virus at 33:   
    ak>> Every rule have exceptions.   
      
    AS> These are not, strictly speaking, exceptions. The relatively low   
    AS> (yes statistically stable) death rate among the young is not a   
    AS> reason at all to risk their lives. They may be "exceptions" to some   
    AS> cabinet statistician or a soulless government official in Sweden,   
    AS> but they are dearly loved ones to their friends and relatives. What   
    AS> will you say to them -- I am sorry, but your brother died because   
    AS> he turned out to be an exception to our staticical distribution?   
      
   Well, if people think as you they will stop the world every winter to   
   isolate people from tens of thousand deaths from cold disease. It is   
   demagogy, and it is funny to hear it.   
      
      
    ak>> Every years tens of thousand people dies from cold.   
    AS> They freeze to death?   
      
   In English the word "cold" is also an illness. Usually it is flu or   
   acute viral respiratory infections.   
      
      
    ak>>>> Under the constitution people can be ordered such things only   
    ak>>>> after Emergency status has been introduced in the country.   
    AS>>> Interesting. But it is a poor constituion that does not let the   
    AS>>> government to defend its people from a pandemic without an all-   
    AS>>> out emergecy.   
    ak>> Law is law.   
      
    AS> Tell, if you know, whether the police have the right to limit the   
    AS> freedom of movement and travel of a man infected with some super-   
    AS> lethal and super infectious disease, such as the black pox? IMHO,   
    AS> they are oblived to do so in order to protect the other people's   
    AS> rights for life. What do you think?   
      
   I think that doing it without law opens a vast possibilities for law   
   violation. Under cover of high words they can do whatever they like. It   
   must not be so.   
      
    AS> Is it only the Russian "liberals" that turn to constituion when   
    AS> everybody's first and foremost care should be of their own and   
    AS> other's health?   
      
    ak>> If there is the state of emergency the authority has right to   
    ak>> demand people to comply with their orders, but people and business   
    ak>> will get many possibilities to reduce its losses! As a force   
    ak>> major, they could suspend rental, credit payment --   
      
    AS> I think it would be *much* harder on the economy. Money is not made   
    AS> out of nothing -- not rubles anyway.   
      
   Good justification. Apply resume to Putin! ;-)   
      
    ak>> it is awful when people are prohibited from working but they   
    ak>> should pay everything as usual.   
      
    AS> In Russia, those prohibited from working are guarranteed to receive   
    AS> theor usual monthly salary throughout their forced absence from   
    AS> work due to the pandemic. Rent and credit relaxations are also   
    AS> enacted.   
      
   You are probably from the Moon -- people survive in Russia as they only   
   can, and the vast majority of Russian economy is grey. Banks also don't   
   give credits to everybody in need -- they are not a charity. Putin also   
   refused to give money from state reserves to people who lost jobs.   
      
   Bye, Anton!   
   Alexander Koryagin   
   english_tutor 2020   
      
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