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Hi, Anton Shepelev! -> Alexander Koryagin
I read your message from 28.04.2020 00:08
ak>> The average death toll can be higher but it is important how to
ak>> count deaths. There are millions of people who die every year from
ak>> variety of illnesses. If a person with flu dies from diabetes or
ak>> oncology, cardiovascular disease etc -- only crazy people can put
ak>> such deaths on flu's account.
AS> It is not so simple, because many deathds due to COVID-19 have been
AS> caused by various compications and aggravations of pre-existent
AS> chronic illnesses, often on the background of a weak immune system.
AS> Are you familliar with the chaos theory and its herarchy of causes?
You don't hear me -- I have already told you that flu also aggravates
many chronic illnesses, but nobody blames flu for deaths from that many
illnesses. Present day statistic about covid19 deaths is not correct.
ak>> Another matter with covid - now WHO tells us that if a person dies
ak>> and he/she has a covid virus - it should be treated as a death
ak>> from covid.
AS> What do you mean? The cause of every single death is alway
AS> investigated according to our general law, which has nothing to do
AS> with the temporary anti-COVID measures. No doubt, special attention
AS> is being paid to the testing and diagnosis of COVID during this
AS> pandemic.
I told you that WHO ordered that covid19 deaths to be counted
differently than deaths of flue/pneumonia.
ak>> That's why many countries have so different statistics.
AS> Why do you exclude the natural suggestion of different
AS> epidemiolocal situations existing in different countries on account
AS> of such factors as population density, habits, and measures taken?
It is also a factor.
ak>> Now Russia also began count it in such a way,
AS> What way, exactly?
If a person dies and he has been tested positively - this death is
counted now as a death of covid.
ak>> and death toll in Russia began growing quickly. It is a dirty
ak>> trick.
AS> You seem to imply that we have changed the method of calculating
AS> deaths due to COVID-19. If so, what evidence do you have of it?
Read it in Russian: https://www.svoboda.org/a/30574844.html
ak>> Another factor is that there are huge masses of infected/recovered
ak>> people who don't know that they were infected/ill with covid19, so
ak>> they are out of statistics.
AS> If so, how do you know that they exist?
The US does numerous tests for covid19 antibodies - the marks that a
person has recovered from the virus. The tests show that a huge number
of people have such antibodies and their illness was not registered when
they were ill.
AS>> Vast majority of them is without symptoms or almost without them.
AS> Yes, I have heard of the symptomless development of the infecion,
AS> but is reported to be around 25%:
AS> https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-asymptomatic-spread.html
Up to 50% here:
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/50-percent-of-people-with
covid19-not-aware-have-virus
AS> It not a "vast majory", as you say.
I summed "without symptom + those with mild symptoms". People with mild
symptoms also don't go to the hospital.
ak>> So we should isolate old or sick people and let other people live
ak>> a normal life.
AS> Do you realise how hard it is to isolate the old from the young? Do
AS> you propose a network of concentration camps?
Nothing will change. ;) Now old and young are locked in the same flats. ;-\
AS> Do you realise that
AS> it is not only old people that die by COVID? The first reporter of
AS> the beginning pandemic, now China's and the World's hero Li
AS> Winliang, died of the virus at 33:
Every rule have exceptions.
AS> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Wenliang
ak>> In this case the average year death toll will be as a normal death
ak>> toll from flu/pneumonia.
AS> First, what makes you thing so? Second, it is atrocious to
AS> sacrifice even a single human life, regardless of statistics.
Every years tens of thousand people dies from cold. It is cynical, but
it is a "normal" number.
ak>> Under the constitution people can be ordered such things only
ak>> after Emergency status has been introduced in the country.
AS> Interesting. But it is a poor constituion that does not let the
AS> government to defend its people from a pandemic without an all-out
AS> emergecy.
Law is law. If there is the state of emergency the authority has right
to demand people to comply with their orders, but people and business
will get many possibilities to reduce its losses! As a force major, they
could suspend rental, credit payment -- it is awful when people are
prohibited from working but they should pay everything as usual.
A swinish situation.
Bye, Anton!
Alexander Koryagin
english_tutor 2020
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