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   On 10/01/2020 1:16 a.m., Alexander Koryagin : Dallas Hinton wrote:   
      
   Hello Alexander!   
      
    AK>>> What a strange expression -- "their bid has been beaten into   
    AK>>> submission". By the scientists themselves? I would understand   
    AK>>> the phrase like "The robbers beat their victim into   
    AK>>> submission", but this one...   
      
    AK> When robbers beat their victim into submission they actually   
    AK> become winners.   
      
    AK> When scientists beat their bid into submission -- I would say   
    AK> they gain what they wanted. The horse of the problem had been   
    AK> trained.   
      
      
   But in this case the "robber" is the "ice", not the scientists. The   
   victim is the equipment.  The ice wins.  Equipment loses.   
      
   There is no evidence (in the citation) that the scientists did the   
   beating. It just says that their bid has been beaten (by the ice).   
      
   Just my guess.   
      
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