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|    Alexander Koryagin to Ardith Hinton    |
|    A rule needed :)    |
|    02 Dec 19 11:43:02    |
      MSGID: 2:221/360.0 5de4dca4       REPLY: 1:153/716.0 de344560       PID: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0       CHRS: CP866 2       TZUTC: 0200       TID: hpt/w32-mvcdll 1.9.0-cur 2019-11-24       Hi, Ardith Hinton! -> Alexander Koryagin       I read your message from 01.12.2019 00:35               AK>> I also don't see any evidence indicating Annabel had been employed        AK>> in the same capacity, but IMHO also there is no ground to suggest        AK>> that a stenographer is as unique position in a firm as its        AK>> President.               AH> |is in as unique a position              Maybe it is better to remove "position"?:       "...but, IMHO, also there is no ground to suggest that a stenographer is as       unique in a firm as its President."               AH> The title of "president" certainly sounds more formal, and is often        AH> capitalized. With other job titles, however, the situation may be        AH> less clear. "Secretary of State" is an official role which is held        AH> by only one person at a time... yet the word "secretary" may be        AH> used to describe any of four employees in a large high school. The        AH> question in my mind is whether or not the article can correctly be        AH> omitted if I'm referring to the secretary, teacher-librarian, etc.        AH> at a much smaller school... or to the proprietor of Giovanni's        AH> Bistro. I must say I found the omission of the article in your        AH> example surprising, but I can see justfication for it if it's        AH> optional there & the novelist wants to get on with the show ASAP        AH> after filling in a bit of the background....               AH> Four centuries ago, other writers left out "the" in:               AH> Where is he that is born King of the Jews?        AH> -- Matt. 2:2, KJV               AH> The Tragedie of Hamlet, Prince of Denmark        AH> -- Wm. Shakespeare               AH> We could have a great time discussing why Herod saw Jesus as a        AH> potential rival and whether or not Hamlet was the last of his line,        AH> but my point is that AFAIK native speakers of English have been        AH> leaving out "the" in situations where the rationale is not        AH> immediately obvious for quite awhile now. The rule you cited        AH> mentions two important factors... the uniqueness of the job & the        AH> formality of the job description. In everyday life things may not        AH> be quite so simple. But as long as you know rules have exceptions I        AH> can't think of a better one. :-))              As one Murphy law says, "For every human problem, there is a neat, simple       solution; and it is always wrong." ;-)              Bye, Ardith!       Alexander Koryagin       english_tutor 2019              ---        * Origin: nntps://fidonews.mine.nu - Lake Ylo - Finland (2:221/360.0)       SEEN-BY: 1/123 15/2 90/1 203/0 221/1 6 360 227/114 229/354 426 1014       SEEN-BY: 240/100 1120 1634 2100 5138 5832 5853 8001 8002 8005 249/206       SEEN-BY: 249/317 261/38 280/5003 5006 313/41 317/3 320/219 322/757       SEEN-BY: 335/364 342/200 382/147 423/81 2454/119       PATH: 221/1 280/5003 240/1120 5832 229/426           |
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