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|    Anton Shepelev to Ardith Hinton    |
|    Dialect... 2.    |
|    08 Aug 19 00:18:16    |
      MSGID: 2:221/360.0 5d4b4012       REPLY: 1:153/716.0 d4114ce0       PID: JamNNTPd/Cygwin32 1.3 20190208       CHRS: IBMPC 2       TZUTC: 0300       TID: hpt/w32-mvc 1.9.0-cur 2019-01-08       Ardith Hinton:              AH> What I had in mind there was not FOWLER'S, but the work       AH> of an author from the US. Because I don't speak US       AH> English I saw little need for it until I became curious       AH> about why Americans do what they do with, e.g., "of" and       AH> thought I'd best consult a USAian expert.... :-)              Ah, that meow... I mean MEU.              AH> Recently Dallas & I watched a series about Queen       AH> Victoria in which the actress said (when HM was 8 1/2       AH> months pregnant & was not allowed, by the standards of       AH> the day, to do as she wished) said "I'm bored of this".       AH> At a similar stage I was reminded of people who had       AH> built a ship in the basement & wondered how they'd ever       AH> get it out... and when I asked Dallas to help with the       AH> vacuuming I got a new vacuum cleaner almost immediately.       AH> But when I exclaimed, "What... Queen Victoria wouldn't       AH> have said that!?" the 1998 edition of FOWLER'S confirmed       AH> my suspicion that "bored of" emerged well over a century       AH> later. :-))              Then you might enjoy "The Witch" (or "The VVitch") -- a       splendidly depressing horror movie where the actors are       speaking the true English of the witch-hunting period in New       England. Watching it from a Bluray via a projector, with       good Soviet loudspeakers was to me a shocking experience!       Don't try it alone.              AH> Perhaps I should refresh my memory in that regard.       AH> Although some of us probably learned about it at school,       AH> North Americans in general don't make a distinction       AH> between "will" and "shall". I think much of the power &       AH> sublety of the language is lost when folks try too hard       AH> to simplify or naturalize it. :-)              Well, it is not nearly as hard as conscious care of one's       language. Recall the second law of thermodymamics, which       says the chaos increases by itself, whereas maintaining       order takes effort. "The only thing necessary for the       triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing," and it is!              AH> While I know very little about Anthony Hope, I think I       AH> know what you mean WRT Agatha Christie. She could speak       AH> volumes about a man by saying he was wearing spats &       AH> riding in a first-class railway compartment... in much       AH> the same way as the photograph I saw of her wearing       AH> pearls while eating breakfast on the patio of her       AH> country estate spoke volumes. When you understand the       AH> fine points of grammar &/or the upper-middle class       AH> customs of the day you'll understand far more than the       AH> kids whose chief ambition is to fit in with their age       AH> mates. :-Q              Count me with the kids, then. I needed extensive       annotations to understand Aldous Huxley's "Crome Yellow".              ---        * Origin: nntps://fidonews.mine.nu - Lake Ylo - Finland (2:221/360.0)       SEEN-BY: 1/123 15/2 203/0 221/1 6 360 226/17 227/114 229/354 426 1014       SEEN-BY: 240/1120 1634 2100 5138 5832 5853 8001 8002 249/206 317 261/38       SEEN-BY: 280/5003 5006 313/41 317/3 320/219 322/757 335/364 342/200       SEEN-BY: 2454/119       PATH: 221/1 280/5003 240/1120 5832 229/426           |
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