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|    Anton Shepelev to Alexander Koryagin    |
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|    14 Dec 18 15:35:32    |
      Alexander Koryagin to Anton Shepelev:              AK>>> BTW, it is a hummer time to ask here where is the       AK>>> difference between "you are welcomed" and "you are       AK>>> welcome"?              AS>> The one relates the actual action of welcoming and the       AS>> other a potential readiness thereto. Compare the       AS>> following sentences:              AK> === "The first one relates to..." === and the other is       AK> a potential readiness...              Even though my sentence may be ungrammatical, I disagree       with your corrections. I did mean the transitive form of       "relate", and elided it in the second clause, cf. Roger       Bacon's "Reading maketh a full man, conference a ready man,       and writing an exact man."              AK> I also collected some information on this issue.       AK> [...]       AK> The adjective "welcome" is actually a _property_ of a       AK> person.              On the contrary, it denotes the attude of another party       toward that person.              AK> As an adjective "welcome" means that a person (who is       AK> welcome) is an embodiment of greeting. ;-)       Not necessarily.       AK> IMHO, "You are welcomed" is legal, means the same, but       AK> more formal.              Certainly not. It means somebody has welcomed me,       regardless of my amiability.              AK> Look at this article, for instance:       AK>       AK> In the sentences "Your thoughts are welcomed" and       AK> "You're welcome," the word "welcome" is being used in       AK> two different ways, as a verb in the first one and as an       AK> adjective in the second.       AK>       AK> As a verb, "welcome" means to greet cordially or accept       AK> with pleasure. You might ask your doctor, for instance,       AK> "Do you welcome new patients," and she might reply,       AK> "Yes, I welcome them" or "Yes, new patients are       AK> welcomed."              Correct, but not the same as "New patiens are welcome"!              AK> Similarly, when you say, "Your thoughts are welcomed,"       AK> you're using "welcome" as a verb (a past participle in       AK> this case). On the other hand, in sentences like              such as              AS> "I felt welcome" or "He's welcome to visit" or "The rain       AS> was welcome" or "She gave welcome advice," the word is       AS> an adjective meaning received gladly or giving pleasure.              The meaning of "welcome" in the first sentence is different.       It *promises* a welcome in case that person should visit the       speaker.              AK> It's this adjectival sense that we use when we say       AK> "You're welcome" in reply to "Thank you."              Indeed, and "welcomed" would be rather awkward!              AK> Dictionaries don't usually define the adjective       AK> "welcome" in this idiomatic usage. The Oxford English       AK> Dictionary, for example, describes "You're welcome"       AK> simply as "a polite formula used in response to an       AK> expression of thanks."              Another good alternative interpretation of this "welcome",       because "come" is also the perfect aspect of "to come".              P.S.: Your English seems is improving :-)              ---        * Origin: *** nntp://fidonews.mine.nu *** Finland *** (2:221/6.0)    |
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