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   Anton Shepelev to Alexander Koryagin   
   rules of this echo   
   14 Dec 18 15:35:32   
   
   Alexander Koryagin to Anton Shepelev:   
      
   AK>>> BTW, it is a hummer time to ask here where is the   
   AK>>> difference between "you are welcomed" and "you are   
   AK>>> welcome"?   
      
   AS>> The one relates the actual action of welcoming and the   
   AS>> other a potential readiness thereto. Compare the   
   AS>> following sentences:   
      
   AK> === "The first one relates to..."  === and the other is   
   AK> a potential readiness...   
      
   Even though my sentence may be ungrammatical, I disagree   
   with your corrections.  I did mean the transitive form of   
   "relate", and elided it in the second clause, cf. Roger   
   Bacon's "Reading maketh a full man, conference a ready man,   
   and writing an exact man."   
      
   AK> I also collected some information on this issue.   
   AK> [...]   
   AK> The adjective "welcome" is actually a _property_ of a   
   AK> person.   
      
   On the contrary, it denotes the attude of another party   
   toward that person.   
      
   AK> As an adjective "welcome" means that a person (who is   
   AK> welcome) is an embodiment of greeting. ;-)   
   Not necessarily.   
   AK> IMHO, "You are welcomed" is legal, means the same, but   
   AK> more formal.   
      
   Certainly not.  It means somebody has welcomed me,   
   regardless of my amiability.   
      
   AK> Look at this article, for instance:   
   AK>   
   AK> In the sentences "Your thoughts are welcomed" and   
   AK> "You're welcome," the word "welcome" is being used in   
   AK> two different ways, as a verb in the first one and as an   
   AK> adjective in the second.   
   AK>   
   AK> As a verb, "welcome" means to greet cordially or accept   
   AK> with pleasure.  You might ask your doctor, for instance,   
   AK> "Do you welcome new patients," and she might reply,   
   AK> "Yes, I welcome them" or "Yes, new patients are   
   AK> welcomed."   
      
   Correct, but not the same as "New patiens are welcome"!   
      
   AK> Similarly, when you say, "Your thoughts are welcomed,"   
   AK> you're using "welcome" as a verb (a past participle in   
   AK> this case).  On the other hand, in sentences like   
      
   such as   
      
   AS> "I felt welcome" or "He's welcome to visit" or "The rain   
   AS> was welcome" or "She gave welcome advice," the word is   
   AS> an adjective meaning received gladly or giving pleasure.   
      
   The meaning of "welcome" in the first sentence is different.   
   It *promises* a welcome in case that person should visit the   
   speaker.   
      
   AK> It's this adjectival sense that we use when we say   
   AK> "You're welcome" in reply to "Thank you."   
      
   Indeed, and "welcomed" would be rather awkward!   
      
   AK> Dictionaries don't usually define the adjective   
   AK> "welcome" in this idiomatic usage.  The Oxford English   
   AK> Dictionary, for example, describes "You're welcome"   
   AK> simply as "a polite formula used in response to an   
   AK> expression of thanks."   
      
   Another good alternative interpretation of this "welcome",   
   because "come" is also the perfect aspect of "to come".   
      
   P.S.: Your English seems is improving :-)   
      
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