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|    Anton Shepelev to alexander koryagin    |
|    Gerunds    |
|    10 Feb 17 23:41:46    |
      Alexander Koryagin to Anton Shepelev:              AK>>> We cannot say that a gerund is a form of a noun.       AK>>> Otherwise we would study it when we study nouns.       AS>> Wherefore the sharp dichotomy, when even conventional       AS>> grammar acknowledges intermediate, or compound, parts       AS>> of speech, somewhat similarly to the wave-particle       AS>> dualism in quantum mechanics.       AK> But we should remember that "dualism" means that a thing       AK> carries _both_(!) qualities simultaneously. Light cannot       AK> be called photons OR waves.              Let me by way of an irrelevant remark observe that the       original particle-wave duality in physics is exactly what       you say it is not:               It seems as though we must use sometimes the one theory        and sometimes the other, while at times we may use either.        We are faced with a new kind of difficulty. We have two        contradictory pictures of reality; separately neither of        them fully explains the phenomena of light, but together        they do.              AK> The same situation with the gerund. It cannot be a pure       AK> noun. The gerund means action, not description,       AK> although often it sounds similar. IMHO, the gerund is       AK> closer to the verb, and that's why the gerund is studied       AK> usually after the verb.              I see your point but prefer the stronger notion that the       gerund is a verb internally (denotes action, may govern a       noun) and a noun externally (may be the subject or object of       a verb, &c).              GB>> Participles in 'ing' often become nouns. When preceded       GB>> by an article, an adjective or a noun or pronoun of the       GB>> possessive case, they are construed as nouns; and, if       GB>> wholly such, have neither adverbs nor active regimen:       GB>> as, "He laugheth at the shaking of a spear."--Job       AK> IMHO, it is close to my point of view [...]              Yes, but it is its descent from a transitive verb that makes       "the shaking of the spear" differ essentially from "the       lining of the coat." And B&S expressed this in their       unconventional treatment of gerunds. Do you know any       grammarian that did better?              ---        * Origin: *** nntp://fidonews.mine.nu *** Finland *** (2:221/6.0)    |
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