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|    Ardith Hinton to alexander koryagin    |
|    Gerunds    |
|    02 Feb 17 16:52:11    |
      Hi, Alexander! Recently you wrote in a message to Anton Shepelev:               ak> As I understand it, a gerund (as a form of a verb) must        ak> take the same direct object as a pure verb. Examples:               ak> They loaded the ship. (a pure verb).        ak> They started loading the ship. (a gerund)               AS> I agree that your second sentence has a gerund,        AS> but I also insist that        AS> The loading of this ship took two days.                      I see "loading" as a gerund in your example & in Anton's.        According to FOWLER'S MODERN ENGLISH USAGE, a verbal noun ending in -ing is       precisely the same thing as a gerund in English. If you can use "the" &/or       any other type of adjective to modify a word it's a noun... regardless of its       origin. Once again the dictionary is a good resource in situations like       this. It will identify as nouns a lot of -ing words which are used to name       various activities. With only eight parts of speech available, one may have       to shoehorn some concepts to make them fit. But all the dictionaries I know       of identify parts of speech.... :-)                             ak> "Being loaded the ship sunk".        ak> "Having been loaded the ship sunk"                      Now you're dealing with participles, i.e. another can of worms.        And BTW... "sink, sank, sunk". After the fact one might say "a sunken ship".        -))                             ak> "The taking of means not to see another morning had all day        ak> absorbed every energy." -- can you retell it in other words?        ak> Maybe we have here a kind of bad scanning?               AS> That the correct sentence from "The Widow Werther" by Maria        AS> Gowen Brooks. She sought death before moring.               ak> A strange choice for pupils studying English. ;=)                      Sounds to me like an excerpt from a Victorian novel. The authors       of grammar textbooks frequently include citations like this... [chuckle].               I understand where these people are coming from. When I searched       my memory for examples the only ones which came up were in an Irish folk song       & in a Christmas carol from England which is +/- three hundred years old. I       noticed a few more in a book our daughter is reading. In academic circles the       words of unknown writers or of a mouse who claims to be a newspaper editor       wouldn't pass muster... but I think they can help to demystify grammar       sometimes.               I'll gladly share my thoughts when I can whittle them down to a       more manageable size. But I don't need to tell you not to hold your       breath.... :-)                                   --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+        * Origin: Wits' End, Vancouver CANADA (1:153/716)    |
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