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|    alexander koryagin to Anton Shepelev    |
|    Rio again    |
|    30 Jan 17 18:21:22    |
      Hi, Anton Shepelev!       I read your message from 30.01.2017 00:17       about Rio again.               AK>> IMHO it means that the Gerund governs the next noun directly        AK>> without a preposition.               AS> No. They say "govern", not "directly govern." Whereas someone takes        AS> the means, the verb "take" must needs govern "means", indifferently        AS> of the way this relation is expressed.              Well, my textbook says that a gerund has a direct object (without       preposition).               AK>> As I understand it, a gerund (as a form of a verb) must take the        AK>> same direct object as a pure verb. Examples:               AK>> They loaded the ship. (a pure verb). They started loading the        AK>> ship. ( a gerund)               AS> I agree that your second sentence has a gerund, but I also insist        AS> that        AS> The loading of this ship took two days.                     No. All gerunds can have time forms and active or passive voices. In my       example:              "Being loaded the ship sunk".       "Having been loaded the ship sunk"              In your example you have an "ing" noun and you cannot do any of this kind.              BTW, a gerund can be defined by an ADVERB:              After loading the ship quickly they had a rest.              If you use "the" with a word you cannot add an adverb to it.               AS> has a gerund too, for the transitive verb "load" governs "ship."        AS> Note that the gerund of the form               AS> the V-ing of noun               AS> is only possible with transitive verbs, which shows unambiguously        AS> that the verb governs the noun, e.g. "the barking of the dog" is        AS> not a gerund, while "the feeding of that dog" is!              IMHO in the first phrase barking == bark (a noun). In the second phrase       it should be "feeding that dog".               |
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