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|    Anton Shepelev to alexander koryagin    |
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|    29 Jan 17 23:17:20    |
      Alexander Koryagin:              AK> Let's read a BASKERVILL& SEWELL's textbook; in what way       AK> the gerund differs from the the verbal noun. IMHO there       AK> is something strange in the text, especially in the       AK> examples:       AK>       AK> 1. The taking of means not to see another morning had       AK> all day absorbed every energy;       AK>       AK> 2. Our culture therefore must not omit the _arming_       AK> of the man.       AK>       AK> Attention, they say -- the Gerund differs from the       AK> verbal noun in having the property of governing a noun       AK> (which the verbal noun has not).       AK>       AK> IMHO it means that the Gerund governs the next noun       AK> directly without a preposition.              No. They say "govern", not "directly govern." Whereas       someone takes the means, the verb "take" must needs govern       "means", indifferently of the way this relation is       expressed.              AK> As I understand it, a gerund (as a form of a verb) must       AK> take the same direct object as a pure verb. Examples:       AK>       AK> They loaded the ship. (a pure verb)       AK> They started loading the ship. ( a gerund)              I agree that your second sentence has a gerund, but I also       insist that               The loading of this ship took two days.              has a gerund too, for the transitive verb "load" governs       "ship." Note that the gerund of the form               the V-ing of noun              is only possible with transitive verbs, which shows       unambiguously that the verb governs the noun, e.g. "the       barking of the dog" is not a gerund, while "the feeding of       that dog" is!              AK> PS: possession              Well-observed.              AK> "The taking of means not to see another morning had all       AK> day absorbed every energy." -- can you retell it in       AK> other words? Maybe we have here a kind of bad scanning?              That the correct sentence from "The Widow Werther" by       Maria Gowen Brooks. She sought death before moring.              Can you answer my question from the previous post:       AS> Another way to look at it is that they are verbs in       AS> nouns' disguise. For example, in "the production of       AS> cars" the noun "cars" is governed by the verb "produce".       AS> The preposition "of" denotes not posession but       AS> government, cf. "the tail of the cat." The tail belongs       AS> to the cat, but production does not belong to cars. In       AS> what terms do you explain this distinction if you don't       AS> accept mine?              ---        * Origin: *** nntp://fidonews.mine.nu *** Finland *** (2:221/6.0)    |
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