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|    alexander koryagin to Anton Shepelev    |
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|    30 Jan 17 05:50:04    |
      Hi, Anton Shepelev!       I read your message from 29.01.2017 14:17                     Let's read a BASKERVILL& SEWELL's textbook; in what way the gerund differs       from the the verbal noun. IMHO there is something strange in the text,       especially in the examples.              -----Beginning of the citation-----       273.       ....              It differs from the verbal noun in having the property of governing a       noun (which the verbal noun has not) and of expressing action (the       verbal noun merely names an action, Sec. II).              The following are examples of the uses of the gerund:--              (1) _Subject_: "The _taking_ of means not to see another morning had       all day absorbed every energy;" "Certainly _dueling_ is bad, and has       been put down."              (2) _Object_: (_a_) "Our culture therefore must not omit the _arming_       of the man." (_b_) "Nobody cares for _planting_ the poor fungus;"       ----- The end of the citation -----              Attention, they say -- the Gerund differs from the verbal noun in having the       property of governing a noun (which the verbal noun has not).              IMHO it means that the Gerund governs the next noun directly without a       preposition. And I wonder that above mentioned examples offer us something       opposite:              The _taking_ of means.              "Taking" doesn't govern "means" directly.               AK>> But since we have "invasion", I doubt that using "invading" as a        AK>> noun is OK.               AS> Quite OK: "He did not even consider invading Iraq."              Yes, "invading" here is a gerund, and it governs "Iraq" directly, without a       preposition.                      AK>> Many verbs don't have ing nouns. For instance, produce(production,        AK>> not producing), manufacture(manufacture, not manufacturing)        AK>> sell(sale, not selling)".               AS> Another way to look at it is that they are verbs in nouns'        AS> disguise. For example, in "the production of cars" the noun "cars"        AS> is governed by the verb "produce". The preposition "of" denotes not        AS> posession but government, cf. "the tail of the cat." The tail        AS> belongs to the cat, but production does not belong to cars. In what        AS> terms do you explain this distinction if you don't accept mine?              As I understand it, a gerund (as a form of a verb) must take the same direct       object as a pure verb. Examples:              They loaded the ship. (a pure verb)       They started loading the ship. ( a gerund)              I read English books (a pure verb)       I like reading English books (not "I like reading of English books" -- the       gerund is detected!)              PS:       possession       PPS:       "The _taking_ of means not to see another morning had all day absorbed every       energy." - can you retell it in other words? Maybe we have here a kind of bad       scanning?       Look also the earlier version of the textbook:       https://goo.gl/YPmBr1              Bye, Anton!       Alexander Koryagin       ENGLISH_TUTOR 2017              --- Paul's Win98SE VirtualBox        * Origin: Quinn's Post - Maryborough, Queensland, OZ (3:640/384)    |
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