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|    Anton Shepelev to alexander koryagin    |
|    Rio again    |
|    29 Jan 17 13:17:38    |
      Alexander Koryagin:              AK> I looked in my textbook: there is no Gerund in "the       AK> invading of Iraq"       AK>       AK> 1. Gerund is not used with articles       AK>       AK> 2. Gerund is used without preposition.       AK>       AK> 3. Gerund can't be used with adjectives (but we can       AK> easily add an adjective here "the outrageous invading       AK> of Iraq"              I don't agree with the first two statements. Here are       examples of the gerund from Baskervill and Sewell's "An       English Grammar":               1. The taking of means not to see another morning had all        day absorbed every energy.               2. Our culture therefore must not omit the arming of the        man.              They have the definite article and the preposition "of".              I understand the gerund as the phrase that behaves as a noun       and in which a verb governs a noun. It may or may not have       articles, adjectives, or prepositions. Pay heed, once more,       to B&S:               The participle has been called an adjectival verbal; the        gerund may be called a noun verbal. While the gerund        expresses action, it has several attributes of a        noun,---it may be governed as a noun; it may be the        subject of a verb, or the object of a verb or a        preposition; it is often preceded by the definite article;        it is frequently modified by a possessive noun or pronoun.              Of course, if by gerund one understands the verb itself,       then the articles, prepositions, and adjectives in the       examples above do not belong to but rather interact with the       gerunds.              AK> In short we have here an "ing noun".              Yes!              AK> But since we have "invasion", I doubt that using       AK> "invading" as a noun is OK.              Quite OK: "He did not even consider invading Iraq."              AK> Many verbs don't have ing nouns. For instance,       AK> produce(production, not producing),       AK> manufacture(manufacture, not manufacturing) sell(sale,       AK> not selling)".              Another way to look at it is that they are verbs in nouns'       disguise. For example, in "the production of cars" the noun       "cars" is governed by the verb "produce". The preposition       "of" denotes not posession but government, cf. "the tail of       the cat." The tail belongs to the cat, but production does       not belong to cars. In what terms do you explain this       distinction if you don't accept mine?              ---        * Origin: *** nntp://fidonews.mine.nu *** Finland *** (2:221/6.0)    |
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