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   mark lewis to alexander koryagin   
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   25 Aug 16 22:04:38   
   
   25 Aug 16 20:09, you wrote to me:   
      
    ak>>> "Titanic" ship cost 7.5 million dollars. "Titanic" movie cost 200   
    ak>>> million dollars.   
      
    ml>> "Titanic", the ship, cost 7.5 million dollars. "Titanic", the movie,   
    ml>> cost 200 million.   
      
    ml>> The ship named "Titanic" cost 7.5 million dollars. A movie about the   
    ml>> "Titanic" cost 200 million.   
      
    ak> BTW, can you clarify the using of "the" when we speak a ship name?   
      
   ummmm... i'm not sure but i /think/ it is because we speak of a specific   
   thing... i really don't know the rules or where to find them... i just know   
   how i/we speak about different things...   
      
    ak> Indeed, in spoken English people cannot hear quotation marks, but they   
    ak> should somehow accentuate the attention on the name. Although Titanic   
    ak> probably doesn't need such a clarification. But in this case it is an   
    ak> exclusion from the rule. ;)   
      
   well, consider if i said   
      
     the titanic ship cost 7.5 million dollars.   
      
   am i talking about a really huge ship or am i talking about a specific ship?   
   granted, in writing, the proper name is capitalized... yes, i understand, too,   
   that my use of all lower case most of the time may also add to the confusion   
   or maybe mystique... the context should bring forth the light of   
   understanding, though... so, back to the example... if i left out the word   
   "ship" does that change the statement?   
      
    ak> Although we probably can say "The Titanic sunk quickly."   
      
   yes, that's quite valid, too...   
      
    ak> Is there such a rule?   
      
   i'm sure there is something out there...   
      
    ak> I see in Longman dictionary:   
    ak> -----Beginning of the citation-----   
    ak> Titanic, the   
    ak> a large British passenger ship which was considered impossible to   
    ak> sink, but which hit an iceberg in the Atlantic Ocean, and as a result   
   [trim]   
      
   that's a good one... notice, also, the word "the" in the very beginning of the   
   definition ;)   
      
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