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|    Ardith Hinton to alexander koryagin    |
|    something from BBC    |
|    28 Jun 16 05:01:28    |
      Hi, Alexander! Awhile ago you wrote in a message to All:              ak> =========Beginning of the citation==============       ak> English language 'originated in Turkey'              ak> Their findings differ from conventional theory that these       ak> languages originated 5,000 years ago in south-west Russia.       ak> =========The end of the citation================              ak> Is it OK with English here?                      Good question. In North American English the hyphen is usually       omitted except with compass bearings like "south-southwest", but that may or       may be the case in British or Australian English nowadays. Similarly,       although I would be more likely to use one of the constructions you mentioned,       the BBC's usage here is IMHO within currently acceptable limits. If native       speakers of English tend to drop inflections... as they've already been doing       for a thousand years or so       ... I can relate to a certain extent. I balk at "drive safe", however.... ;-)                            ak> IMHO it must be:              ak> Their findings differ from conventional theory that these       ak> languages originated 5,000 years ago in the south-west of       ak> Russia.       ak> or       ak> Their findings differ from conventional theory that these       ak> languages originated 5,000 years ago in south-western Russia.                      In Southwestern BC, where Dallas & I live, a large number of       immigrants come from Southeast Asia. Why the distinction? I don't know.        That's just the way people talk around these parts. Asia is a continent, but       Canada & Russia & the US occupy a lot of real estate too. I'd say some of our       modem buddies here live in the Southeastern US... while they might say they       live in the Southeast. And around these parts, if you want to know who comes       from Back East (i.e. from some considerable distance east of the Rockies), all       you have to do is wait for them to say "Out East"... particularly if they've       grown up in Ontario & they're under forty years of age. Out east, out west.        It is consistent. But in order to understand folks from around these parts       one must understand that many of us are here because our parents and/or       grandparents arrived on this continent Back East & kept moving Out West until       they encountered the Pacific Ocean... [grin].               ###               My apologies for taking such a long time to answer... I had to let       this idea percolate until I'd consciously recognized another example which       seemed to be clamouring for attention but which I couldn't quite put into       words. We have a street in Vancouver called Marine Drive... as do many other       places on the Wet Coast. It runs from UBC (i.e. technically outside the city       limits) to the edge of Burnaby (i.e. the suburb next door) & beyond. IOW,       it's quite a long street by our standards although you could probably get from       London to Wales in the UK & vice versa by following Chepstow Road. Because it       crosses a boundary between east & west WRT the naming of various other       streets, however, this one is known either as Southeast or Southwest Marine       Drive. It's small potatoes compared to any number of other things but large       in comparison to its immediate neighbours.               ###               To make a long story short... while I may be able to carry off the       same sort of stunt Henry Higgins did at times, I have no precedent in my       memory bank for references to Russia. I think a lot may depend on where one       lives.... :-)                                   --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+        * Origin: Wits' End, Vancouver CANADA (1:153/716)    |
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