Hi again, Roy!  This is a continuation of a previous message to you:   
      
   RW>  Both your and my versions are correct...   
      
   ml>  and mine is short enough to make a tagline from ;)   
      
      
             When I checked on the original exchange between you & Mark, I   
   noticed you had concluded a statement of opinion with an ellipsis.  I often do   
   the same as an indication that my ideas are not set in stone & that I am open   
   to further input.  Mark accepted the challenge & completed the sentence (more   
   or less).  I agree, however, that while the use of "and" or "but" to begin a   
   sentence may be common in informal speech it is not generally recommended.  :-)   
      
      
      
   ml>  we don't know where they came up with that line from...   
      
   RW>  There's that 'from' again.   
      
      
             Yes... and it's redundant there because Mark could have expressed   
   the same idea without adding "from".   
      
      
             I see some justification for this usage in   
      
                   mine is short enough to make a tagline from   
      
   because the tagline was a work-in-progress, to which three people were   
   offering various contributions.  I see some justification for it in, e.g.,   
      
                   I'm from Vancouver, Canada... where are you from?   
      
   Winston Churchill is alleged to have made a comment along the lines of "Up   
   with this [nonsense] I will not put!" in response to someone who tried to   
   improve on his use of English.  IMHO he knew exactly what he was doing, and he   
   did it very well.  The other day, however, I ran across an article in THE   
   VANCOUVER COURIER which said:   
      
                   But times have changed and so have the countries   
                   from which immigrants to Canada come from.   
      
   Maybe the author tried to change horses in mid-stream... I don't know.  I   
   think people tend to add a superfluous "from" at the end of a sentence because   
   by the time they get there they've forgotten what they said earlier.  It is   
   acceptable in informal speech to end a sentence with a preposition...   
   sometimes.  That was the point Churchill was trying to make.  But sometimes   
   it's safer to follow the traditional "rules" of formal grammar as they were   
   presented at school....  ;-)   
      
      
      
      
   --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+   
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