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|    Ardith Hinton to alexander koryagin    |
|    Reported speach and BBC World    |
|    16 Jun 16 23:32:27    |
      Hi, Alexander! Recently you wrote in a message to All:              ak> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18192375       ak> =========Beginning of the citation==============       ak> After watching the footage, Mr Campbell said he believes Uefa should       ak> not have chosen the countries as hosts of such a prestigious event       ak> in the first place.       ak> =========The end of the citation================              ak> Should it have been written in this way:       ak> Mr Campbell said (that) he believed UEFA should not have chosen the       ak> countries...                      Assuming that Mr. Campbell is still alive & well, that he made the       remark(s) attributed to him shortly before the news reporters rushed to their       computers in order to meet a deadline or to get ahead of the competition, and       that I've seen no evidence suggesting he may have changed his mind... I'd say       "he believes". IOW, I'm treating the verb as an ongoing action here.... :-)                            ak> It seems to me that there is a rule how to transform a direct speech       ak> into indirect one.                      Quite possibly. I don't do rules well because so many of them are       devised for students at a grade three reading level... and I think you're far       beyond that. Adult native speakers of English carefully recite "i before e",       then shrug & do what looks right to them because they've never heard or don't       remember the rest of what was intended as a simple mnemonic. Some folks even       make signs saying (e.g.) "Staff only, no exceptions!" but make exceptions for       wheelchair users whenever I'm willing to take on the role of the Cantankerous       Old Lady who adamantly refuses to put up with this sort of nonsense.... :-))               As a native speaker of English I collect examples... sometimes for       decades... until I can explain in words the principles native speakers absorb       intuitively, with varying degrees of success. Whatever I have to say is thus       more of a principle than a rule. The notion that certain principles may take       precedence over others, in certain situations, explains more to me than rules       which are "more honoured in the breach than in the observance"... [wry grin].               Another example: within the last week or so Alexander informed the       denizens of this echo that he was puzzled about xxx. I'm reporting in my own       words, although Fidonet technology enables me to quote exactly what Alexander       said. To the best of my knowledge nobody else has responded to his concerns.       But a lot can happen in a week or so & electronic mail goes missing in action       from time to time, therefore I can't be sure Alexander is still puzzled. ;-)                                   --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+        * Origin: Wits' End, Vancouver CANADA (1:153/716)    |
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