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   alexander koryagin to Ardith Hinton   
   Determiners   
   18 Jun 16 18:47:44   
   
   Hi, Ardith Hinton!   
   I read your message from 15.06.2016 14:56   
      
    ak>> is located in western part of Russia. (IMHO no article   
    ak>> before "western" either, because "western" is a determiner   
    ak>> itself).   
      
      
      
    AH> Ah... I think I see part of the problem here. Some time ago you   
    AH> were asking me about determiners, and apart from a brief reference   
    AH> in a high school textbook I found very little information about   
    AH> them. Perhaps this is an issue which often arises in Russian where   
    AH> it doesn't in English.   
      
    AH> Since you asked again I've been researching the topic a bit more,   
    AH> and I've found some further information which gives me a better   
    AH> handle on it. For now I'll just say that in English "Moscow" is a   
    AH> noun which may also be used as an adjective while "western" is an   
    AH> adjective which may also be used as a noun.   
      
    AH> From where I sit neither is a determiner. What I see is that in   
    AH> your mind Russia is divided, for purposes of this discussion, into   
    AH> two parts. From my POV you'd be using determiners if you said "I   
    AH> live in this part... not that one". We don't use articles there.   
    AH> But to native speakers of English it will seem that where there's a   
    AH> western part there must be an eastern part too.   
      
   Perhaps, the problem is because some words are used without articles at all.   
   For instance, "You live in western Canada". But "part" always used with some   
   article. That's why "I live in the western part of Russia", but "I live in   
   western Russia."   
      
   Logically, "the" is excessive in "in the western part of..." It is all clear   
   without "the" - there is no false interpretation. The articles are supposed to   
   add clearness to the meaning. But if an article doesn't add any clearness....   
   )   
      
   Bye, Ardith!   
   Alexander Koryagin   
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