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|    mark lewis to alexander koryagin    |
|    Gerund & noun    |
|    19 Jan 16 08:33:26    |
      19 Jan 16 21:43, you wrote to Ardith Hinton:               AH>> As we explain the concept to junior high school students Over        AH>> Here, "a noun is the name of a person, place, thing, or (abstract)        AH>> idea". AFAIC you are alluding to an abstract idea when you describe        AH>> something as a process. If it's any consolation, native speakers        AH>> often have difficulty with this.... ;-)               ak> Yes, the difference between a noun and a gerund sometimes is a        ak> bit confusing, but there must be rules that allow us to tell the        ak> difference between "ing" nouns and gerunds.              there are rules but i certainly don't remember them ;)               ak> "I was awaken by a loud talking" - "talking" is a noun (because we        ak> can feel it!)              "I was awakened by loud talking" or "I awoke to loud talking" or even (turn it       around) "Loud talking woke me"... some folks would add "up" to the end of that       and that takes us back to my comment of some weeks ago... eg: if you can be       woken up can you also be woken down?               ak> "Talking is a good exercise" - "talking" is a gerund (the        ak> process itself).              you could leave out the "a" in this one... "Talking is good excercise."               ak>>> and I say that drivers are allowed to park their cars near hotel?        ak>>> And it is possible that near that hotel there is no parking lot at        ak>>> all.               AH>> Ah... now I think you're onto something! If "parking" refers to an        AH>> area in which people are allowed to park cars, it is an uncountable        AH>> noun which we'd measure in acres or hectares or whatever.               ak> Why "an area" is described by an uncountable noun? It should be        ak> "There is a free parking (lot) near the hotel" if it is a noun, not a        ak> gerund.              if you use "a" in this example sentence then yes, you should add "lot" or       "area" or similar... without those then you would leave the "a" out...              1. "There is free parking near the hotel."       2. "There is a free parking lot near the hotel."       3. "There are free parking areas near the hotel."       4. "Free parking may be found near the hotel."       5. "Free parking spaces can be found near the hotel."       6. "The hotel offers free parking."       7. "The hotel offers free parking areas."       8. "The hotel's parking is free."              in the sentences above, which ones use "parking" as a noun and which as a       gerund? if there are any which use "parking" as something else, what else?              )\/(ark              "So let me ask you a question about this brave new world of yours. When you've       killed all the bad guys, and when it's all perfect, and just and fair, and       when you have finally got it exactly the way you want it, what are you going       to do with the people like you? The trouble makers. How are you going to       protect your glorious revolution from the next one?" - The twelfth Doctor              ... We cater to the occasional fetishes.       ---        * Origin: (1:3634/12.73)    |
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