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|    alexander koryagin to Ardith Hinton    |
|    Gerund & noun    |
|    19 Jan 16 21:43:30    |
      Hi, Ardith Hinton!       I read your message from 16.01.2016 16:56       about Gerund & noun.               ak>> Free parking is available at the hotel. As I think "parking" is a        ak>> noun.        AH> Yes, according to my OXFORD CANADIAN DICTIONARY "parking" is a noun        AH> in this context.               ak>> We don't use "a" article for the same reason we omit articles in        ak>> newspaper titles.        AH> For the sake of brevity we often omit articles on signs too. But I        AH> think there may be another reason. See below.... :-)               ak>> So, "parking" here is a place to park cars.        AH> Uh-huh. A place... IOW, a general area. :-)               ak>> Can I say that this sentence has another meaning if I say        ak>> that "parking" is a gerund?        AH> The word "parking" may have been derived from the verb initially...        AH> but a gerund, by definition, functions as a noun.               ak>> In this case "parking" is a process,        AH> As we explain the concept to junior high school students Over        AH> Here, "a noun is the name of a person, place, thing, or (abstract)        AH> idea". AFAIC you are alluding to an abstract idea when you describe        AH> something as a process. If it's any consolation, native speakers        AH> often have difficulty with this.... ;-)              Yes, the difference between a noun and a gerund sometimes is a bit       confusing, but there must be rules that allow us to tell the difference       between "ing" nouns and gerunds.              "I was awaken by a loud talking" - "talking" is a noun (because we can       feel it!)              "Talking is a good exercise" - "talking" is a gerund (the process       itself).               ak>> and I say that drivers are allowed to park their cars near hotel?        ak>> And it is possible that near that hotel there is no parking lot at        ak>> all.               AH> Ah... now I think you're onto something! If "parking" refers to an        AH> area in which people are allowed to park cars, it is an uncountable        AH> noun which we'd measure in acres or hectares or whatever.              Why "an area" is described by an uncountable noun? It should be "There       is a free parking (lot) near the hotel" if it is a noun, not a gerund.               AH> There may or may not be marked spaces. Either way we're        AH> oversimplifying if we equate the number of spaces to the number of        AH> cars. I see nothing here indicating (e.g.) that motorcycles and        AH> recreational vehicles are excluded. A downtown hotel with        AH> underground parking may have more restrictions than a hotel in the        AH> suburbs or beyond, however, and I'm just as skeptical as you are        AH> when I'm reading advertisements... [chuckle].              I meant that if "parking" is a gerund we talk not about a place but       about a process. So: "A free parking (lot) is available near that       hotel."              But, nevertheless, "Free parking is allowed." (the hotel owner allows       the process of parking).               AH> Another example is "seating". In church, or in a sports arena, the        AH> seating may consist of benches. How many people will fit onto a        AH> bench depends on their size, the nature of their relationship, etc.        AH> In a theatre, there may be numbered seats. But the math also        AH> becomes more complex when one takes into account that wheelchair        AH> users bring their own seating along with them & may or may not        AH> transfer to a different seat if a suitable alternative is        AH> available.              Let's use a gerund: "Seating without popcorn is not allowed!" (we speak       about the process).               AH> Another example is "standing room only". How many individuals will        AH> fit into a given space depends on a lot of different factors as        AH> well. In this part of the world, the fire marshall may have        AH> something to say about it. :-))              The word "standing" here is not a noun or a gerund -- it is a       participle.              Bye, Ardith!       Alexander Koryagin       ENGLISH_TUTOR 2016              --- Paul's Win98SE VirtualBox        * Origin: Quinn's Post - Maryborough, Queensland, OZ (3:640/384)    |
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