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|    Ardith Hinton to alexander koryagin    |
|    occult expert    |
|    21 Jun 15 00:42:13    |
      Hi, Alexander! Recently you wrote in a message to mark lewis:               ak> "My mother uses herbs," said Adam. "So does yours."        ak> "Oh, those are all right," said Brian, determined not        ak> to lose his position as occult expert.               [...]               ml> i've read some of the story but not all of it...                      I haven't read the story either... but in the absence of more       detailed information about the context, I'm guessing Brian's status is       unofficial and/or limited to a fairly small group of people (e.g. the       threesome I see here).               Pepper is doing as I've overheard kids in grade eight doing... he       acts as if he knows all about some topic or other, but he depends on hearsay &       can't resist the urge to pass along or add embellishments to the truth of the       matter. Adam is more of a thinker. He compares what he has just heard to what       he knows from personal observation: toothless fairy tale hags with unkempt       hair & warts on their noses aren't the only people who use herbs. I'd give       him a gold star. Meanwhile Brian is eager to prove he knows more than Pepper &       Adam do.... :-))                             ml> even moreso now that the author is walking with death        ml> along the beaches...                      So many books... so little time! I thoroughly enjoy the excerpts       from Pratchett's work which Dallas & Alexander have cited to me, but there are       a lot of other books I want to read within the present century as well... [wry       grin].                             ak> Maybe, that "occult expert" is like "President." For        ak> instance, "President Obama is due to visit the country        ak> next month." No article.                      I think you've made a good start there. Adding a person's name to       his or her official title seems to call for a different pattern, however, than       what we'd otherwise use. We could substitute "Queen Elizabeth" or "Pope       Francis" or "Prime Minister Stephen Harper" in the above example.               The article is also omitted in these examples:               Mary, Queen of Scots        Hamlet, Prince of Denmark        Alfred, Lord Tennyson              ... i.e. traditional, formal references in which the person's name is included.                      When a person's name is not included it seems we do use the article       in most cases. You have probably noticed echomail references to "the POTUS",       i.e. the President of the United States. I have also noticed biscuit tins &       whatnot from the UK with the words "BY APPOINTMENT TO HM [i.e. Her Majesty]       THE QUEEN". In a walk down memory lane, other examples come to mind:               The Imam of Yemen        The Shah of Iran        The Archbishop of Canterbury              ... i.e. traditional, formal titles which stand alone. They may be       abbreviated sometimes. WRT to the POTUS & HM the Queen, however, articles       etc. aren't left out although they often are in other abbreviations. Here in       Canada the Bank of Montreal was known as BM until fairly recently. This       abbreviation has now been changed, perhaps because some folks took "BM" to       mean "bowel movement".... ;-)                             ak> Making it without "an" the authors imply that Brian is the        ak> only occult expert in the gang.                      Yes... or at least he has that reputation.                             ak> But "President" starts with a capital letter. Otherwise it        ak> should be "the president" and, accordingly, "the occult        ak> expert."                      I wouldn't place much reliance on capital letters, or lack thereof,       in informal speech. I think what matters is that there can be only one POTUS       at a time & that's his formal title. While the same may apply to the       president of a local club (e.g.) there isn't quite the same weight of       tradition behind the way we do things now. Many years ago we seem to have       used the German convention of capitalizing every noun... but I've seen it       fading out within my lifetime. :-)                                   --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+        * Origin: Wits' End, Vancouver CANADA (1:153/716)    |
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