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|    Ardith Hinton to alexander koryagin    |
|    cat and dog    |
|    14 Dec 14 23:46:24    |
      Hi, Alexander! Recently you wrote in a message to Ardith Hinton:               AH> We speak of flour & sugar & meat because that's the        AH> way we were taught. The Russians speak of countable        AH> & uncountable nouns because that's the way *they*        AH> were taught. And as classroom co-ordinator my job is        AH> to put all this stuff together into a lesson plan. ;-)               ak> Using logic and system is very useful.                      Agreed. And to me grammar is very logical... i.e. in my own native       language at least. While I still find it difficult to get my mind around some       of the gender issues which arise in other languages I can play with grammar in       English as one might play with a matryoshka doll. Beneath each layer there is       another layer of half-forgotten stuff, then another, and then another.... :-)                             ak> "The cat" is a class of animals.                      On occasion, yes. Here's a joke which uses this construction:               The dog greets you enthusiastically at the door & covers        you with sloppy kisses... the cat sends his butler. :-)                             ak> "A cat" is one cat.                      Uh-huh.... :-)                             ak> "Cat" is meat of a cat.                      I'd say the meat of one or more cats, but AFAIC it's more important       that you now understand why the native speakers here kept saying "meat". :-))                             ak> In other words "cat" can be both countable and        ak> uncountable. ;-)                      Bingo! Give yourself a gold star.... :-)                             ak> Meat is uncountable like milk and is used without        ak> any article.                      Usually... but not always. In our household you might also hear me       say (in my capacity as chief cook & bottle washer) "I'll get around to that as       soon as I've put away the meat & the milk I just brought home from the grocery       store." Having worked in the restaurant business, I attach a high priority to       safe food handling... and I specify which meat & milk I'm referring to so that       other family members know I'm not neglecting them if they have to wait awhile.               Other examples of this construction may be found in "The House That       Jack Built"... i.e. a poem many native speakers of English will recognize from       what we schoolteacher types refer to as pattern books for young children. :-)                                   --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+        * Origin: Wits' End, Vancouver CANADA (1:153/716)    |
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