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   alexander koryagin to Ardith Hinton   
   "thing out" verb   
   23 Apr 14 13:33:36   
   
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   From: "alexander koryagin"    
      
   F2EP   
   Hi, Ardith Hinton! How are you?   
   on Wednesday, 23 of April, I read your message to alexander koryagin   
   about ""thing out" verb"   
      
    -----Beginning of the citation-----   
      "Here," he said. "We go on through here.  The entrance is concealed."   
   Harry did not ask how Dumbledore knew.  He had never seen a wizard  work   
   things out like this, simply by looking and touching; but Harry had long   
   since learned that  bangs  and  smoke  were  more  often  the  marks  of   
   ineptitude than expertise.   
    -----The end of the citation-----   
      
    AH> Yes,  expertise is often taken for granted because the expert makes   
    AH> whatever s/he is doing *look* so easy.  Harry is  smart  enough  to   
    AH> realize his mentor takes things into account which he may not  have   
    AH> noticed... [chuckle].   
      
      I read the rule on this account:  "after 'let' and 'make' we use bare   
   infinitive."   
      
    ak>> It seems that "things out" is  a  verb  and  it  has  the  similar   
    ak>> meaning to "looks".   
      
    AH> As I imagine you've worked out by now:   
    AH> * "work" is a verb here -- yes, in the infinitive form   
      
      The trouble for me was the absence  of  "to"  before  the  infinitive   
   "work".   
      
      
    AH> I am reminded of how, as a student of French,  I sweated blood over   
    AH> ordinary everyday words which had numerous definitions.  OTOH I can   
    AH> use some polysyllabic Latin-based word in E_T & my Russian  friends   
    AH> don't miss a beat.  Chances are they've studied Latin...  or if not   
    AH> they will see only one or two definitions when  they  look  up  the   
    AH> word.  There, in a nutshell, is why I have difficulty with the idea   
    AH> that a small or severely limited vocabulary makes a language easier   
    AH> to learn. In daily life I must make distinctions like this:   
      
    AH> M.  Sally Forth (i.e.  a cartoon character whose name is a pun,  if   
    AH> you think about it) is working at the gym.   
      
    AH> N.  I understood she had some paid employment, but didn't know what   
    AH> her job was.  Is she a receptionist, a cleaning woman, Ms.  Fix-It,   
    AH> or what...?   
      
    AH> ...   
      
    AH> M.  Sally Forth is working out at the gym because she is hoping  to   
    AH> work off the extra weight she gained during the Christmas season.   
      
    AH> N. Ah.  Sally isn't getting paid $$$ for her work...  she is paying   
    AH> for the privilege of using the equipment which the gym has to offer   
    AH> & which she doesn't have at home. Now we are into quite a different   
    AH> scenario. :-)   
      
      It is especially confusing when you translate some text aloud, to the   
   listeners,  and suddenly you realize that the text means somthing  quite   
   different.  ;-) But does "Sally is working  at  the  gym"  sound  poorly   
   because it allowes multiple nterpretations?  IMHO  we  must  avoid  such   
   sentences.   
      
   [...If a person barks at people he lives as a dog, too]   
   Bye Ardith!   
   Alexander (yAlexKo[]yandex.ru) + 2:5020/2140.91   
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