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|    Roy Witt to alexander koryagin    |
|    from Russian again    |
|    11 Jun 13 10:22:44    |
      alexander koryagin wrote to Roy Witt:               AH>>>> As native speakers of English you & I would probably say        AH>>>> "astronaut". Although some sources define "cosmonaut" simply as        AH>>>> "astronaut", the majority of my usual references define it as "a        AH>>>> Russian astronaut".               ak>>> Well, but the USSR was the first in space, so its term "cosmonaut"        ak>>> is a registered term next to "sputnik." Beside this, "astronaut"        ak>>> IMHO is too pompous and incorrect word.               RW>> Astro has been in use for centurys, as in astrology and many other        RW>> endeavors.               ak> In Russian understanding, when we use ending "naut" we imply that        ak> a person travels somewhere, and the first part of the word tells us        ak> where. For instance, an aeronaut - a person traveling in air; an        ak> aquanaut, in water; an astronaut - a person traveling between stars        ak> (that's why it is, for a while, an incorrect term). An alconaut - is        ak> a person who drinks often. ;=)              That's the same way that naut is used in the English language. Also in       English, astro- means 'outer space' not specifically 'stars'...the study       of the stars is called astrology, while the study of astrometry is of a       celestial body, such as Mars or the Sun.               ak> Accordingly, if a spaceship travels between planets we call it        ak> "planetolet" - a planetprobe vehicle; if it flies between stars we        ak> call it "zvezdolet" (a starprobe vehicle).              We would use 'planetary travel' and the vehicle a 'space ship'. Don't know       how you could fly between stars, as your space vehicle would be destroyed       before it could begin moving. However, you can travel 'among' the stars,       meaning you're really not going to go to a star, just travel by them.               RW>> Whoever heard of the term, cosmostrolgy, being used to describe the        RW>> practice of astrology?               ak> Well, IMHO cosmos is a more general term. After leaving the Earth,        ak> and we are in cosmos.              By leaving the Earth's atmosphere, one is in space...as an astronaut       would be.               ak> We can orbit the Earth, we can (theoretically) fly to any part of the        ak> Universe - so cosmonaut is a more correct term. It is too earlier        ak> (and IMHO because of this funny) to call themselves astronauts.              Your opinion is noted, but in my opinion, it is in error.               AH>>>> "Astronaut" is certainly in more common use where I come from. It        AH>>>> is less specific than "cosmonaut", and thus we may have to        AH>>>> qualify it sometimes... but I wouldn't go so far as to say        AH>>>> "cosmonaut" is incorrect. I guess Alexander is more familiar with        AH>>>> the Russian word.        ak>>> If in Russia we tell a space story we always call the American        ak>>> guys as astronauts, but the Russian guys are always cosmonauts.        ak>>> Maybe the Russian people know astronomy well, and they think that        ak>>> "astronaut" sounds funny comparatively with the distance of modern        ak>>> space flights.        RW>> Were they among the 3 Kings that traveled by star to Bethlehem?               ak> But they didn't fly between stars.              But they did use the star as a guiding light. Thus they used astrology and       astrometry to guide them. Astro- doesn't mean 'fly between stars'...               AH>>>> The advantage of using "astronaut" is that there is no confusion        AH>>>> over what the author meant; the disadvantage is that we may need        AH>>>> to use at least one more word to indicate the country. OTOH, the        AH>>>> advantage of using "cosmonaut" is its economy; the disadvantage        AH>>>> is that it may mean different things to different people. If a        AH>>>> cosmonaut = a Russian astronaut, "Russian cosmonaut" is a serious        AH>>>> redundancy which I'd (basically) treat as an error. Until there's        AH>>>> more general agreement as to the definition of "cosmonaut",        AH>>>> however, I'll let it pass. :-))        ak>>> "Russian cosmonaut" is as correct as "Russian/American sputnik".        RW>> I'd believe Russian Sputnik... Americans used Freedom to name our        RW>> 1st space vehicles. Freedom 7 carried Alan Shepard into space. He        RW>> was also the first man to walk on the Moon.               ak> "Sputnik" is not a name. "Sputnik" is just a Russian word meaning        ak> "satellite." Both words are interchangeable. The first Russian        ak> sputnik had no name, just number 1. Today, when in the USA they        ak> launch a satellite we read in our news that the Americans launched a        ak> sputnuk.               RW>> PS - The first man in space was Joseph Kittinger - in a balloon        RW>> (USA) 8^)               ak> But space is above 100 km? Isn't it?              190Km...here's part of a personal account given by Joseph Kittinger that       explains it better than I can.              "Overhead my onion-shaped balloon spread its 200-foot [61-meter] diameter       against a black daytime sky. More than 18 1/2 miles [30 kilometers] below       lay the cloud-hidden New Mexico desert to which I shortly would       parachute."              "Aerodynamically, space begins about 120 miles [190 kilometers] from       earth. Physiologically and psychologically, however, it starts only 12       miles [19 kilometers] up, where survival requires elaborate protection       against an actual space environment."              It is a very interesting adventure...              http://tinyurl.com/98qgvde                      R\%/itt                     --- GoldED+/W32 1.1.5-31012       --- D'Bridge 3.92        * Origin: Lone-Star BBS - San Antonio, Texas - USA (1:387/22)    |
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