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   Jeff Snyder to All   
   Slick Netanyahu Embarrasses US Again   
   10 Nov 10 20:45:00   
   
   It is the same old, same old.   
      
   Whenever are the Americans going to learn?   
      
   The Jews have been yanking the chains of American presidents and other   
   American politicians for literally decades now. The Jews continue to talk,   
   talk, talk, and build, build, build, while they slowly chisel away at the   
   Palestinian territories. Meanwhile, the weak Americans helplessly stand by,   
   trying to save face, while the Jews embarrass them time and time again. As   
   it has already been said, by the time those crafty Jews are done, there   
   won't be much left with which to form a Palestinian state, and the   
   Palestinians know it, which is why they are growing impatient.   
      
   So once again an Israeli PM has made a fool out of another US president. As   
   I have said before, Bibi Netanyahu is one shrewd, manipulative politician,   
   and just like Israeli PM's before him, he's got the Americans in the palm of   
   his hand. Netanyahu embarrassed Biden, and now he's embarrassed Obama as   
   well. He has Obama begging him for concessions.   
      
   All of the violence aside, can you really blame the Palestinians for their   
   current distrust of the Jews? I most certainly can't.   
      
   I should point out that Netanyahu tells one big lie in the following   
   article. He claims that Jerusalem is the capital of the state of the Israel.   
   It may be to the Jews who live there, but it is an established fact that the   
   rest of the world does not legally recognize Jerusalem as the capital of   
   Israel. Tel Aviv is, besides also being the commercial capital of Israel. In   
   fact, on the Wikipedia website, it even states:   
      
   "Due to the international dispute over the status of Jerusalem, most foreign   
   embassies remained in or near Tel Aviv. In the early 1980s, 13 embassies in   
   Jerusalem moved to Tel Aviv as part of the UN's measures responding to   
   Israel's 1980 Jerusalem Law. Today, all but two embassies are in Tel Aviv or   
   environs."   
      
   As far as the Palestinians unilaterally declaring a Palestinian state, they   
   have used this tactic before, and they are probably just bluffing, but you   
   never know. I know that a large part of the world would probably stand   
   behind them, including much of Europe and Russia, but the USA most certainly   
   wouldn't, because they are financially beholden to the Jews.   
      
   When will this merry-go-round ever stop?   
      
      
   In Curt Exchange, U.S. Faults Israel on Housing   
      
   By MARK LANDLER and ETHAN BRONNER - NYT   
      
   November 9, 2010   
      
      
   WASHINGTON -- President Obama's criticism of new Israeli housing plans for   
   East Jerusalem, and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's even sharper retort,   
   have thrown the Middle East peace talks into jeopardy, with the dispute over   
   Jewish settlements looming as a seemingly insuperable hurdle.   
      
   The Obama administration is struggling to restart direct negotiations   
   between the Israelis and Palestinians, which stalled last month after the   
   expiration of a partial freeze on settlement construction in the West Bank.   
   Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton plans to meet Mr. Netanyahu in New   
   York on Thursday, while Egypt sent two top officials to Washington to   
   discuss ways to salvage the process.   
      
   But the brusque exchange between Mr. Obama and Mr. Netanyahu reflected again   
   the gulf between Israel and the United States over settlements -- an issue   
   Mr. Obama initially made the centerpiece of his Middle East diplomacy.   
   Palestinian officials said Israel's latest announcement threatened the talks   
   and could prompt a unilateral declaration of a Palestinian state.   
      
   When asked in about Israel's plans for 1,000 housing units for a contested   
   part of East Jerusalem, Mr. Obama said, "This kind of activity is never   
   helpful when it comes to peace negotiations."   
      
   "I'm concerned that we're not seeing each side make the extra effort   
   involved to get a breakthrough," the president added during his visit to   
   Indonesia. "Each of these incremental steps can end up breaking trust."   
      
   A few hours later, Mr. Netanyahu's office responded with a statement, saying   
   that "Jerusalem is not a settlement; Jerusalem is the capital of the State   
   of Israel."   
      
   The United States and Israel have well-known differences over Jerusalem, Mr.   
   Netanyahu's office said in the statement, adding that building plans should   
   have no effect on the peace talks.   
      
   Despite their efforts to build mutual trust, Mr. Obama and Mr. Netanyahu   
   seem to keep talking past each other. On Tuesday, they were worlds apart in   
   symbolism as well as substance: the president voiced his criticism of Israel   
   while on a visit to Jakarta, capital of the world's most populous Muslim   
   country.   
      
   Mr. Netanyahu was in New York, meeting business people, midway through a   
   visit to the United States that included a speech to a Jewish group in New   
   Orleans on Monday, in which he called on Washington to be more aggressive in   
   threatening Iran with a military strike if it did not give up its nuclear   
   program.   
      
   Analysts said Mr. Netanyahu's unyielding tone -- a palpable contrast to his   
   chagrined reaction after a similar housing dispute during a visit to Israel   
   by Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. -- testified to the altered political   
   environment in the United States. The stinging Democratic defeat in the   
   midterm elections, the analysts said, had emboldened Mr. Netanyahu to push   
   back harder against the administration.   
      
   "He is dealing with a president who is politically weakened," said Daniel C.   
   Kurtzer, a former American ambassador to Israel. "A lot of his friends in   
   Washington are Republicans. He feels more comfortable with them, so he just   
   feels that he's got a freer hand here."   
      
   Israel's ambassador to the United States, Michael B. Oren, rejected that   
   view. "We're not looking for a confrontation with the Obama administration,"   
   he said.   
      
   He said Mr. Netanyahu was eager to discuss with Mrs. Clinton "how we are   
   going to move forward, once we get over this hump."   
      
   But Mr. Oren declined to say whether Mr. Netanyahu would offer new proposals   
   for breaking the impasse. The United States has asked him to extend the   
   settlement freeze for 60 days in return for security incentives.   
      
   Israeli officials have said Mr. Netanyahu is hemmed in by his right-wing   
   coalition, which opposes extending the freeze. Some officials said that by   
   taking a hard line on Israel's right to build in Jerusalem, Mr. Netanyahu   
   might gain the political cover to compromise over the West Bank.   
      
   On Wednesday, Mrs. Clinton will meet with Egypt's foreign minister, Ahmed   
   Aboul Gheit, and its intelligence chief, Omar Suleiman. Egypt is worried by   
   the impasse, and American officials said they expected the Egyptians to   
   advance their own ideas for resuscitating the talks, which could include an   
   Israeli pledge to withdraw troops from parts of the West Bank.   
      
   Whether that would be enough to satisfy the Palestinians without an   
   extension of the settlement freeze is not clear. In another gesture to the   
   Palestinians, Mrs. Clinton will announce the United States' annual financial   
   contribution to the Palestinian Authority on Wednesday, an administration   
   official said.   
      
   Mr. Netanyahu has supported Mr. Obama's mix of engagement and sanctions   
   against Iran. But in his speech to the Jewish Federations of North America   
   in New Orleans, he called for a more aggressive approach.   
      
   "If the international community, led by the United States, hopes to stop   
   Iran's nuclear program without resorting to military action," he declared,   
   "it will have to convince Iran that it is prepared to take such action."   
      
   Dan Diker, a senior foreign policy analyst at the Jerusalem Center for   
   Public Affairs, said the speech was calculated to "push the military option   
   to the top paragraph of the policy from the third or fourth paragraph."   
      
   But Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said that the threat of military   
   action was not the best way to deter Tehran. Mr. Gates said the recent   
   United Nations sanctions against the Iranian government were starting to   
   bite.   
      
   Israel's housing announcement came in the form of plans published for public   
   review in local newspapers on Friday, just before Mr. Netanyahu headed to   
   Washington. As with previous announcements, Israeli officials said the   
   timing was determined bureaucratically, not politically.   
      
   Still, the timing raised questions about what Mr. Netanyahu knew and when.   
   After Mr. Biden's visit to Israel was spoiled last March by a similar   
   announcement that Mr. Netanyahu said was a surprise to him, American   
   officials told the Israelis that they wanted no more surprises.   
      
   At the time, Mr. Netanyahu's aides said he sent out letters demanding lists   
   of future settlement plans to avoid surprises while peace talks were under   
   way. It was unclear whether Mr. Netanyahu knew about this one before it was   
   published in newspapers last week. On Tuesday, it also became clear that   
   some 800 units would be built in the West Bank settlement of Ariel.   
      
   Saeb Erekat, the chief Palestinian negotiator, said Israel's action was "a   
   call for immediate international recognition of the Palestinian state."   
      
   The Palestinian leadership has been talking about shifting its focus to   
   getting international recognition of a Palestinian state if settlement   
   building continued and the peace talks remained stalled. The Obama   
   administration and Arab states have urged it not to go that route.   
      
      
      
   Jeff Snyder, SysOp - Armageddon BBS  Visit us at endtimeprophecy.org port 23   
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