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|    Jeff Snyder to All    |
|    An Act Of God? - Rebuttal - Part 1    |
|    15 Mar 11 14:13:00    |
      We just received a few responses to my "Japan Earthquake and Tsunami - An       Act of God?" post on the Endtime Prophecy Net Blog. While one response is       supportive of my position, the latter claims that I am in error, and that       among other things, God does not cause natural disasters, and He does not       use them as His "tools of judgment" against ungodly, sinful people. This       person claims that God's Wrath was forever quenched through Christ's       Sacrifice on the Cross, and that at this point, God is now only interested       in Reconciliation with humanity, and not in judgment. Following is my       rebuttal to the person who made these statements.              ----- Begin Quote -----              Hello _____. Thank-you for your comments. You have presented a strong,       well-thought-out case for supporting your position. Nevertheless, it is my       view that your understanding is flawed in several regards.              If we accept your reasoning and interpretation of the Scriptures, then you       have presented God as a weak God who is not in control of His creation. You       are indirectly suggesting that the Creator of the Universe has lost control       of what He has created. In the case of the Japan tragedies, you are       suggesting that He was unable to prevent the deaths of many thousands of       people, and the homeless status of many thousands more.              Personally, I cannot accept that. Suggesting that it is just nature doing       what nature does is a weak argument, and an attempt to avoid the truth       because it is too painful and too uncomfortable to hear. It is political       correctness. Imagine if the Prophets of old had been politically-correct.       Thank God that they weren't.              The truth of the matter is that few people want to admit that our hearts are       not right with God. Few people want to talk about sin. It isn't popular. It       doesn't bring more people into the churches, or more money into the church       coffers. People want to pretend that everything is okay, kind of like this:              "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is       condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only       begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into       the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds       were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to       the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh       to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in       God."       John 3:18-21, KJV              So to avoid the truth, what do we do? We try to recreate God as a       lovey-dovey God, when that is not what the Bible teaches us. The Bible       clearly reveals that our God is both a God of Love, as well as a God of       Wrath. I invite you to read some of my older articles such as "Love And       Light, Or Rod And Wrath?", "Beholding The Evil And The Good", "The Fruits Of       Disobedience", etc. Depending on our particular relationship to God, or lack       thereof, God can reveal His loving side to us, or His wrathful side to us.              Nature is not an entity. It has no mind of its own. It can make no decisions       of its own. I don't buy into all of that New Age Gaea nonsense or Mother       Nature silliness. Nature is a force which God created, and which God       continues to control -- at every moment. If those events occurred in Japan,       it is because God allowed them to happen. Things don't just happen. Natural       events don't just happen. As I said, God guides them and controls them. The       ancient Jews most certainly recognized this. Please read Moses' warning to       the ancient Israelites in the Pentateuch.              As you no doubt know, Jesus clearly prophesied in Matthew chapter       twenty-four, as well as in other chapters and books, that earthquakes would       be characteristic of the Endtime scenario. Obviously, He knew this, because       He and His Father are in control of them, just like everything else in the       natural world. I am convinced God uses such things as His tools of judgment.       The Bible is very clear about this. Again, this is discussed at length in my       articles.              Your claim that God's Wrath was fully quenched by Jesus' Sacrifice on the       Cross is likewise flawed, because you are omitting a very important part of       the Salvation equation, and that is repentance. Everything that you stated       regarding what Jesus did for us is absolutely true, and I do in fact agree       with it. However, where you seem to err is in assuming that this process of       reconciliation -- and God's Forgiveness -- is automatic, when it most       certainly is not. Yes, God wishes to be reconciled with the world, which is       why Jesus died for us all; however, as I point out in "Free Will And       Personal Choice", "Is Salvation Meant For All Men?", "All Are Given A       Chance...But" and similar articles, free will and personal choice play a       very important role in God's Salvation Plan.              It is my firm belief that God will not force Himself on anyone. Neither will       He force anyone to accept the Forgiveness and Salvation that He offers them.       In short, God's Forgiveness is contingent upon our personal recognition of       our sinful condition, true repentance, and finally, acceptance of God's Gift       through Jesus Christ.              God has allowed Japan to become a great and prosperous nation, and one of       the technological and economic powerhouses of the world. As Jesus said in       Matthew chapter five, God sends rain "on the just and on the unjust". Have       the Japanese acknowledged His blessings upon their nation? Sadly, no. In       spite of His many blessings, the vast majority of Japanese people do not       accept what God has offered them at so high a price; that price being the       cruel Torture and Death of His own Son.              What did Jesus say in the verses that I shared with you earlier? He said "he       that believeth not is condemned already". That is why I believe that the       Japanese are now suffering. They have rejected God's Love and Mercy through       Christ, and continue to embrace their false religions -- Buddhism,       Shintoism, etc. -- just like so many other people around the world. They       have slapped God in the Face for years. They have condemned themselves       through their own rebellion and rejection of the Sacrifice of Christ, and       obviously, they are not the only ones. Just look at where you find great       "natural disasters", and you will also find great sin if you look hard       enough; and yes, that includes in Haiti and New Orleans. Please consider       reading my series "Hurricane Katrina and Other Natural Disasters". So, due       to their rebellion against God, the Japanese have felt God's Wrath, just as       we see by this verse:              "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and       unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;"       Romans 1:18, KJV              You claim that with Christ's Death on the Cross, God's Wrath and Judgment       has been reserved for the Endtime, and that since Christ's Sacrifice, He has       been in Reconciliation Mode. Allow me to give you a clear New Testament       example which clearly reveals the flaw in your thinking. Consider what Jesus       said concerning the unbelieving Jews, and God's impending Wrath and Judgment       upon them:              "But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those       days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this       people."       Luke 21:23, KJV              As you undoubtedly know, Jesus' prophecy concerning God's Wrath against the       unbelieving Jews was fulfilled about forty years later, when the Romans,       under the command of General Titus -- the son of Emperor Vespasian --       utterly destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple in 70 AD. According to Jewish       historian Flavius Josephus, about one million Jews died as a result of the       First Jewish-Roman War and the siege of Jerusalem. As the previous verse       demonstrates, Jesus clearly prophesied this terrible destruction in the       Synoptic Gospels.              Now, if, as you claim, God's Wrath was quenched with Jesus' Death on the       Cross, why then did Jesus prophesy God's Wrath being poured out on the Jews       in 70 AD? Isn't there a conflict between what you are saying, and what Jesus       said, and what history actually records? Do you deny that the events of 70       AD were the result of God's Wrath being poured out upon a rebellious and       unbelieving people?              So why did this happen? Because God's Love, Mercy and Forgiveness are       contingent upon our heartfelt repentance. Yes, God indeed opened the door to       Forgiveness and Salvation through Christ, but if we repeatedly refuse to go       through the Door -- Jesus -- then we are still subject to His Wrath, now, in       this life. Again, as Jesus said "he that believeth not is condemned       already"; and once the verdict is known, the execution of the punishment       must be carried out at some point soon after -- "soon" obviously meaning       according to God's Timetable. The unbelieving Jews most certainly felt God's       Wrath, and many people have felt it since that time as well.              Now, you may try to claim that Luke 21:23 is talking about the wrath of the       Romans, but let's be honest here. You and I both know that throughout the       Bible, God has used foreign armies, unbelieving pagans and heathen -- the       Egyptians, the Assyrians, the Babylonians, the Philistines, the Romans, etc.       -- as His "rods of chastisement" and His "vessels of wrath" against His own       children. So that was indeed God's Wrath in 70 AD, forty years AFTER the       Sacrifice for sin was accomplished. Jesus' Sacrifice did NOT stop God's       Wrath.              Another point. You asked, if God is the cause of bad things happening, why       would He stop at New Orleans or Haiti or Japan? Well, let me ask you       something? What makes you so certain that He has stopped? Do you think that       just because a major natural disaster doesn't occur every single month or       every single year that He has stopped? Who are we to determine God's       Timetable? As Peter tells us, being that God is a Being who lives outside of       time, a thousand years is as a day to Him. Furthermore, if there is any       reason why natural disasters don't occur with more frequency, perhaps it has       something to do with this:              "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness;       but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but       that all should come to repentance."       2 Peter 3:9, KJV              In short, God gives people lots of time to repent, but eventually, their       time runs out, but not necessarily all at the same time.              [continued in the next message]                            Jeff Snyder, SysOp - Armageddon BBS Visit us at endtimeprophecy.org port 23       ----------------------------------------------------------------------------       Your Download Center 4 Mac BBS Software & Christian Files. We Use Hermes II                     --- Hermes Web Tosser 1.1        * Origin: Armageddon BBS -- Guam, Mariana Islands (1:345/3777.0)    |
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