HI Roy,   
      
   On Fri 2012-Nov-30 13:47, Roy Witt (1:387/22) wrote to Richard Webb:   
      
    Roy>> problem being, how to enforce read-only access to that link. Any   
    Roy>> downlink, even a 'read-only downlink' can dump the echo onto a   
    Roy>> point address and nobody would be the wiser.   
      
    RW> YEs, did make that suggestion, and yes that could be done.   
    RW> However, if somebody puts it up for public access, i.. on   
    RW> the web or something it's pretty obvious somebody is   
    RW> violating one of them thar gentlemens' agreements.   
      
   Roy> Yeup. But it can be shown to their IP that what they're doing is in   
   Roy> violation of the echo rules. That may be taken seriously and the   
   Roy> posts deleted from the site. Which requires a diplomatic approach   
   Roy> from the mod and an open minded IP admin...   
      
   Which is why I'd be very explicit in the rules, but I made   
   the suggestion .  That's one of the reason I made it.   
   IN that way anybody making it available to the general   
   public is known to be in violation, and that can be proved   
   to an ip (as in provider) or an uplink.   
      
      
    RW> I, for example, when I was feeding Daryl Stout passed the   
    RW> r19 echoes through to him from rc19 with hwom I connect for   
    RW> other purposes.  I passed the r14 stuff through except for   
    RW> 14_chat, was always an open echo for users points and   
    RW> anybody within r14 back in the day.  Then after awhile I   
    RW> even passed that one through to him without reading it.   
      
   Roy> That is against the present RC19's mandate that you get the regional   
   Roy> echoes from him. Only he can route it through a non-regional node.   
      
   RIght, but it had his approval.  My link to it was him.   
   When Daryl changed feeds  I still connected with him   
   regularly until he discontinued pots for awhile, but no   
   longer got the r19 echoes of course.   
      
    RW> The unseen point thing though is an old trick, and when I   
    RW> took down my system and was pointing off a buddy for awhile   
    RW> he fed me a lot of sysop restricted echoes as a point, read   
    RW> only of course.  Then when he went dark 3 months later i was calling   
    RW> ld as a point to pick up fido traffic from somebody else as a point,   
    RW> and didn't really want the ld downloads of anything but certain   
    RW> echoes of particular interest to me.   
      
   RW> Understood.   
      
    RW> But, were I mod in question I'd make it pretty explicit what sort of   
    RW> access was permitted, and what wasn't.  YEs, some folks might   
    RW> circumvent those restrictions, but most long time Fido folks won't   
    RW> without good reason.  I told my local boss node when I first started   
    RW> pointing off him and he was last man standing for local FIdo bbs that   
    RW> I really wasn't that interested, and that he was violating some   
    RW> standards of conduct.  HE did ask permission from the nc for me to   
    RW> have write access to the netwide sysop echo though.   
      
   Roy> If you're acting like a sysop, why not treat you like a sysop...no   
   Roy> harm in that.   
      
   That was his rationale, i was co-sysop of his board.   
      
      
   Regards,   
              Richard   
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