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   Re: DirectX 9.0c software versus Video H   
   06 Jan 19 05:17:24   
   
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   From: Paul    
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   Subject: Re: DirectX 9.0c software versus Video HARDWARE DIRECTX 9 or 10+?   
   Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 05:17:23 -0500   
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   Greegor wrote:   
   >   
   http://www.amd.com/US/PRODUCTS/NOTEBOOK/GRAPHICS/ATI-MOBILITY-HD-5400/Pages/hd-   
   5450-specs.aspx   
   >    
   > This DIRECTX 11 card has DRIVERS for WinXP and W7.   
   >    
   > If the DIRECTX 11 hardware and firmware can't   
   > be used in WinXP then what does the driver   
   > do with it?   
   >    
   > Would a game application actually prefer   
   > DIRECTX 9 hardware/firmware to the   
   > DirectX 9.0c software module?   
   >    
   > I see a card that has shaders and stuff for DIRECTX9.   
   > Would the DirectX 9.0c software module USE that stuff?   
   >    
   >   
   http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/other/Pages/x1300-specification   
   s.aspx   
   >    
   > I found when studying upgrade options that   
   > back when the upper CPU chips were $500   
   > or $600 each, upgrading seemed less worthwhile   
   > but now those same chips are $10 to $30   
   > like the high end ones with hw Virtualization.   
   >    
   > When a CPU that used to go for $600 sells   
   > for $30, upgrading isn't so far fetched.   
      
   "Certified drivers for Windows 7, Windows Vista, and Windows XP"   
      
   Presumably, not the same driver. The driver would work with   
   things usable by the target OS.   
      
   If it didn't support DirectX 9, there'd be no point listing   
   a Windows XP driver.   
      
   Using another card as an example...   
      
   http://www.amd.com/us/press-releases/Pages/amd-press-release-2009sep22.aspx   
      
       "superior performance in the latest DirectX 11 games, as well as in   
        DirectX 9, DirectX 10, DirectX 10.1 and OpenGL titles"   
      
   I don't know if I can come up with a search term specific   
   enough to find a table with that information in it.   
      
   WinXP uses an XDDM driver, while the later OSes have some   
   flavor of WDDM driver.   
      
   Notice they do mention backward compatibility so that   
   WDDM can support older titles.   
      
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WDDM   
      
       "The WDDM specification requires at least Direct3D 9-capable video card   
        and the display driver must implement the device driver interfaces for   
        the Direct3D 9Ex runtime in order to run legacy Direct3D applications;   
        it may optionally implement runtime interfaces for Direct3D 10/10.1   
        and higher."   
      
   But the driver for WinXP would be XDDM. It means it is quite possible   
   the hardware has to support more than one variation in its interface.   
   It also means, you could run into a video device, that no longer   
   has support for XDDM. While WDDM has some backward compatibility   
   defined for it, there's nothing to say ATI/NVidia have to support   
   XDDM forever on new designs. They could drop it at any time,   
   simultaneous with stopping WinXP driver support.   
      
   (Ref here)   
   http://download.microsoft.com/download/7/E/7/7E7662CF-CBEA-470B-A97E-CE7CE0D98D   
   C2/GraphicsGuideWin7.docx   
      
       Paul   
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