Re: file this under what not   
     By: Bill Mcgarrity to Mike Roberts on Sat Apr 06 2013 10:57 am   
      
    > Totally agree with you Mike.... the "foods" you mentioned will have adverse   
    > effects on canines. I'm rather surprised Mark is worried about "raw" foods   
    > being that many find it's the prefered diet.  I show dogs and diet is a   
    > main concern. Even if you feed kibble, grains are taboo in a diet.  I   
      
   I suspect a lot of us are ignorant of what is bad for our dogs. I bought   
   anewfie puppy, many many years ago. The breeder encouraged me quite heavily   
   tofeed the dog a natural diet. Honestly, It was rather expensive and difficult   
   toprepare. She did also give the option that if You did not do this, You   
   wouldsign a paper saying You would only feed him High quality Kibble. No Gravy   
   traintype stuff. I opted to feed him Iams Giant breed puppy food. She agreed   
   thatwould be fine. It was not. This guy grew into a monster... Not Fat, but   
   BIG.And he did it way too quickly. He ended up at 185 as an adult and as the   
   vetsaid at the time, he was amazed because he was not a fat dog. At that point   
   hewas the biggest newfoundland he had seen at his practice. However, he may   
   nothave been fat, but he grew so fast, his joints and his body in general   
   couldnot keep up with such rapid growth. I would never ever feed a dog that   
   extraprotein, large breed or not. At the time the breeder thought that was   
   great ifI was not going to feed him natural, she had the eggs, and oatmeal and   
   groundbeef etc all cooked over the stove in a big pot. But it proved to not be   
   thecase. He lived a long life, for a newfie, but he was sore in his later   
   years,He made it to 9. Back then expectancy norm was about 5 or 6. I never new   
   any ofthese foods that are commonly listed today. In fact I had another newf,   
   whowhen a puppy was fussy and would not eat his food. I mean I had seen him go   
   3days without eating his dry food. I then tried some other things in his   
   food.He loved Broccoli. I would regularly give him Broccoli, I had no idea.   
   Nothingcame of it that I know of, but I did not know and many a day he did not   
   eatunless broccoli was in his food. Same with a common food on the no no list   
   isgreen grapes, I did not know that. My pugs love green grapes! No that I   
   know,they don't get them anymore. But for some reason, animals, under   
   nocircumstances, I was told by several vets, should get Onions or Avacados.   
   MyParrot eats all table scraps. The vet said, feed him anything, He is going   
   tooutlive You anyway, feed him regular food and he'll live even longer, but   
   donot give him onions or avacados, so it must be something that could   
   affectanimals across the board. I am just glad I was told and have seen the   
   list manytimes now, on the net and other animal lovers etc.   
      
   On the same subject and what You said, I have heard vet programs on sirius   
   andsome vets say if You want to do Your dog a favor and can afford it. Feed   
   Yourdogs a straight meat diet. Nothing but meat. suggesting if one believes   
   inevolution, that that is what their ancestors ate and what we should be   
   feedingthem now. But many cannot afford it. But optimally they claimed it is   
   whatwould be best for dogs. Most people in the business try to sell dog food   
   thatappeals to the owners, not necessarily what the dog needs. These   
   commercialswith kibble with Vegetables, they claim is utter nonsense and is   
   just appealingto the owners.. 8(   
   Have a good One!   
   Mike   
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