-=> Lee Lofaso wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-   
      
   HIya Lee...   
      
      
    LL>>>> "Free college for everyone is a bad idea. But it is not   
    LL>>>> exactly the type of thing that would make him similar to   
    LL>>>> Stalin and Castro."   
      
    SW>> Yes Free College is a bad idea. Who get's employer preference? Free   
    SW>> college students or paid? We need to lower student debt not give out   
    SW>> more handouts. Let's just let the students stay home and just send them   
    SW>> the degree they want. I have a hard time understanding what motivates   
    SW>> young people these days. I never got a damn thing when I was young. I   
    SW>> had to earn everything! That's my 2 cents anyway. ;-)   
      
    BM> Free tuition is not a new thing.  From 1971 to 1974 I recieved free   
    LL> tuition   
    BM> from CCNY and it certainly wasn't a community college.  Regarding your   
    BM> employer prefernce, why not let merit determine that factor.  Whether free   
    BM> or paid, the level of education is still required to attend and succeed.   
    BM> So, to me at least, if a student receives free education and graduates   
    LL> with   
    BM> a 4.0 where a student who pays, taking the same courses, gets a 2.4, which   
    BM> one would you   
    BM> choose?   
      
    LL> An employer would choose to hire an employee who graduated from an   
    LL> accredited school rather than from a school that was not accredited.   
      
   Are you saying CCNY is not an accredited school?  I think you better do some   
   research on that. The way I was reading things from the start it was a given we   
   were talking about accredited schools so your point is basically moot.   
      
    LL> The issue is not really whether the student had paid for his/her   
    LL> tuition or somebody else (taxpayers) had paid for his/her tuition.   
    LL> The issue for the employer is whether the potential employee is   
    LL> qualified or not qualified to do the job.   
      
    BM> I understand the motivation issue as well.  Success is not guaranteed and   
    BM> that should be stressed, but the path to success should be and let   
    BM> the student prove him/herself.   
      
    LL> A graduate of an accredited institution of higher learning has   
    LL> already proven himself/herself, regardless of who had paid the   
    LL> cost of his/her tuition.  As such, the matter of who paid the   
    LL> tuition should not be a factor, or an issue of concern, of the   
    LL> employer.   
      
      
   Agreed...   
      
    LL> All employees have to constantly prove themselves to their   
    LL> employers, throughout their careers, regardless of their education.   
    LL> That much should be obvious.   
      
   Agreed again, but that wasn't the original stipulation of this thread.    
      
   Everyone seems to be getting all worked up over this free tuition.  The   
   proposal by Sanders is PUBLIC institutions wuold be free.  In dealing with   
   private institutions, they have to pay for their sports scholarships somehow,   
   so the non-jocks will still owe $200K when their done.   
      
        
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