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   alexander koryagin to Tim Richardson   
   Re: obamas gun fight   
   14 Jan 16 10:25:53   
   
   Hi, Tim Richardson!   
   I read your message from 13.01.2016 13:37   
      
     ak>>>> It's easy - most Americans are afraid each other. So, no chance   
     ak>>>> to live without guns. ;=)   
     TR>>> Not true. Most Americans are watchful of their `government'.   
     TR>>> And the main reason for the Second Amendment guaranteeing all   
     TR>>> American citizens the right to keep and bear arms was to keep an   
     TR>>> armed citizenry able to resist and overthrow a tyrannical   
     TR>>> government.   
      
     ak>> Small arms is useless for that purpose.   
     TR> What makes you think all we've got is `small arms'?   
      
   If the army use tanks, bombers, satellite, drones, spying equipment    
   where can buy it? If you catch a tank it will be destroyed by a bomber    
   withing minutes.   
      
     TR>>> to defend yourself against anyone who would do you harm or rob   
     TR>>> you of your property.   
     ak>> It is actual only in a country full of bandits. ;-) Watch   
     ak>> carefully and shoot first! It's not a big distance from the wild   
     ak>> West. It doesn't look as a civilized country, either.   
     TR> We (at least *I*) don't care what it looks like to outsiders. We   
     TR> get that kind of talk from a lot of foreigners; `we aren't   
     TR> `civilized' '!   
      
     TR> Yeah well... we like our guns, and we don't give a hoot in hell   
     TR> what foreigners think about that.   
      
   Such thoughts are probably spoken not only by the foreigners. There are    
   many Americans who think that if people do not feel themselves safe    
   without feeling guns with their buttocks there is something very wrong    
   in such a country.   
      
     TR>>> Not all citizens are allowed to exercise that right, however.   
     ak>> Who are not allowed? Is there a certain database of those who are   
     ak>> not allowed?   
     TR> Yes.   
     TR> Convicted felons, some misdemeanor convictions, and those who have   
     TR> been in mental institutions are usually caught in a background   
     TR> check for a firearm purchase.   
      
   If a person hasn't been in a mental hospital during his life it doesn't    
   mean he is healthy mentally. That is the way how nutcases acquire    
   submachine guns.   
      
      
     TR> So... the only persons allowed to carry loaded firearms in   
     TR> California are cops or criminals. Cops carry all sorts of guns, and   
     TR> criminals don't obey gun laws. So the common law-abiding citizen is   
     TR> on their own.   
      
   Do you think it would be good if people also carry sabers and daggers?    
   It is even less powerful weapon for self-defence than guns.   
      
     TR>>> All the mass shootings that have occurred that get the democrats   
     TR>>> hot about gun confiscation have pretty much occurred in `gun free   
     TR>>> zones'.   
      
     ak>> Do you think that teachers in school should keep his holster   
     ak>> opened? ;-)   
      
     TR> A large segment of Americans are ex-military of one sort or   
     TR> another. I am a Vietnam veteran, have been in combat, and I know   
     TR> when and when not to open fire.   
      
   In Vietnam American soldiers created rains of bullets without thinking    
   to much. It was enough to hear a rustle behind the trees. ;)   
      
      
     TR> People don't need cops or some other organization to `teach' them   
     TR> firearm safety. I've been around weapons since my father first let   
     TR> me try his 12 gauge when I about 11. I went through the Army, a   
     TR> war, and many years living in states where handguns were commonly   
     TR> carried by everyone. I've never shot anyone I didn't intend to   
     TR> shoot, never had a firearm `accident', and never `went off the deep   
     TR> end' with a gun.   
      
   Yes, it a cultural phenomena.   
      
     TR> Here in the states I've used a handgun to prevent a few incidents,   
     TR> take a few people into custody, and been deputized twice to aid   
     TR> deputy sheriff's who were working alone in rural areas who needed   
     TR> backup.   
      
     TR> The vast majority of people this president is referring to when he   
     TR> accuses us of `clinging to God and our guns' are just as   
     TR> responsible and experienced with firearms as I try to be.   
      
   But anyway, allowing school teachers to have guns is a bad idea. ;=)   
      
   Bye, Tim!   
   Alexander Koryagin   
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