Hello Bob,   
      
    LL>> The echo was not listed.  I relisted the echo.  Joe Bruchis   
      
    BK> I did not know that.   
      
   Joe Bruchis posted it online, in the Coffee Klasch echo, for   
   all to see.  If you were so blind as to not see it, it is nobody's   
   fault but your own.   
      
    BK> I believe you are talking about it being mentioned in the echolist echo.   
      
   Of course it was in the echolist echo.  Joe Bruchis posted   
   it in the Coffee Klatsch echo for all to see.  What part of   
   that did you not understand?   
      
    BK> I didn't read that echo at that time.   
      
   You were one of the participants.  Had you kept your big fat   
   mouth shut and not said a word (or had written in private via   
   netmail or email), then it would not have been necessary for   
   me to have relisted the echo.   
      
   I am sure you meant well.  But the road to hell is paved   
   with good intentions.  I treated the issue as a joke.  Which   
   it was.  And that is exactly how Roger N viewed it (although   
   he was more shocked than anything when he first realized   
   I was not joking when I mentioned I was the moderator).   
      
    LL>> Bob Klahn and Ross Cassell are working as a team.  Their   
    LL>> latest endeavor is to steal this echo.  Basically by using   
      
    BK> That is BS.   
      
   "I send everything to Ross." - Thom LaCosta   
      
   Thom LaCosta never had any real control of the echolist.   
   Neither does the present retard.  Thom got tired of being   
   a puppet for Ross.  Now a new one has been found to take   
   his place.   
      
   Ross C cannot steal this echo, or any other echo, through   
   an echolist.  And neither can you.  Even if you claim to be   
   doing so in his name (or anybody else's name).   
      
   I do not worship any echolist.  And I sure as hell do not   
   worship Ross C (or any other fidonet administrator).   
      
   There is a reason why nobody outside of zone 1 takes the   
   echolist seriously.  And fewer and fewer within zone 1 take   
   the echolist seriously.  It is a joke.   
      
   There are too many dangers that can happen by keeping and   
   maintaining an echolist (if used for official purposes).   
   Censorship is an obvious danger.  The present echolist has   
   been abused, and continues to be abused, for that purpose.   
      
    BK> Rather stupid at that.   
      
   It takes a really stupid person to swear fealty to an echolist.   
   Or to Ross C.  Or to any individual for that matter.   
      
    BK> Reread what I wrote, I defended you against the accusation that you stole   
    BK> Coffee Klatch, and you pull this BS on me.   
      
   Nobody stole the Coffee Klatsch echo.  It was a bunch of guys   
   (and at least two gals) having fun.  A general chat echo, with   
   Roger N sitting around the campfire with everybody else enjoying   
   the pleasure of each other's company through banter.  Even Frank   
   Vest (the sysop whose board I was using at the time) was a   
   participant and understood the whole thing as a joke.  Had it   
   been anything else it would have been off with my head from his   
   board - and probably all of fidonet - permanently.   
      
    BK> You like stabbing people who stood with you in the back?   
      
   You made public statements that Roger N failed to update   
   the elisting for the Coffee Klatsch echo.  Several participants   
   politely asked you to shut up.  You continued to repeat your   
   statements, in public.   
      
   I was surprised that Roger did not throw you out of the echo   
   right then and there.  But he was not taking you seriously, and   
   had thought the echo was elisted.  Even though it had not been   
   for quite some time.   
      
   Roger, like most other people, has a life outside of fidonet.   
   I took it upon myself to elist the echo so that nobody else could   
   elist it.  That way, Roger would be able to keep the echo.  And   
   sure enough, trouble came soon afterwards.   
      
   You see, I did not advertise the fact that I had elisted the echo.   
   None of the other participants did, either.  But others outside of   
   the echo were very much aware of the fact that the echo tag for the   
   Coffee Klatsch echo had expired.  Only they did not act fast enough   
   to do what they had truly wanted.   
      
   Joe Bruchis found out about it when he read the echotag listing   
   in the elist echo.  He then posted that entry in the Coffee Klatsch   
   echo for all to see.   
      
   I let it all play out, treating it as the joke it was.  Roger N   
   was given the password, and was able to continue his role as   
   moderator.  Frank Vest folded his board, and all the participants   
   left.   
      
   Well, except for Roy Witt.  May his soul rest in peace.   
      
   --Lee   
      
   --- MesNews/1.08.05.00-gb   
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