Hello Alexander,
ak>
NS>> dream of of your place in history as the creator of this Eurasian
NS>> Union.
NS>> And an independent sovereign Ukraine with a government you can deal
NS>> with is the key. For the core around which the Eurasian Union has
NS>> to be built, is the very same core whose disintegration doomed the
NS>> Soviet Union -- Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Ukraine. Alone,
NS>> these four states, would already be the core of a Eurasian Union.
NS>> But if the globalized American dominated west swallows Ukraine it
NS>> can never be.
ak> .. with a government, but with the government that is democratically
ak> elected and is supported by all the Ukrainian people, not only one part.
ak> Only blind cannot see that Ukraine has been split in two parts for a
ak> long time. This split has a long history. If you are interested who
ak> burned the USSR civilians in WWII on the lands occupied by fascists you
ak> will know that those people were not Germans, but they were western
ak> Ukrainians who served as Nazi police. In short, two parts of Ukraine are
ak> divided by hatred, and democracy and elections _were_ the only thing to
ak> keep them together as a state. When the results of elections were
ak> tramped by the Kiev's events in 2014 it became clear that the only way
ak> available for such an Ukraine is not a building of a strong single
ak> state, but a war. Those Americans (senator Mc Cain - you are the first!)
ak> who inspired Ukrainian people to overthrow the elected President and
ak> Government are actually responsible for the blood that flows there now.
Partitions have never worked. In any area of the world. At no
time in history. The division in Vietnam did not last. The division
in Korea will one day come to an end. The division in Palestine will
also come to an end at some point in time. India and Pakistan will
not be divided forever over Kashmir (although Muslims and Hindus will
remain divided forever). Ireland and Northern Ireland will one day
rejoin as one. Yet we see the possible partition of not only Ukraine,
but also Syria, taking place.
What is happening, and why is it happening?
NS>> You're Vladimir Putin and you cannot allow Ukraine to join either
NS>> NATO or the European Union. And you won't. The military force you
NS>> have assembled on its eastern borders is the stick. But once there
NS>> is a Ukrainian government you can deal with, you have an even
NS>> mightier carrot to wield.
ak> It's is provocative and mean to compare Ukraine with an animal that is
ak> directed by Russia with a carrot. The main concern of Russia is millions
ak> of (Russian) Ukrainians that do not support the things that happened in
ak> Kiev in the spring of 2014. Actually when President Yanukovich was
ak> overthrown by the crowd in Kiev, these people were robbed of their
ak> choice and their right to choose their destiny.
The people want peace, not war. For decades the people of Ukraine
were at peace with both themselves and their neighbors. What happened?
How did the people of Ukraine suddenly find themselves at odds with
not just themselves, but everybody else as well?
NS>> Let the European Union and its Troika strong-arm banking enforcers
NS>> lay their severe economic demands on the table so that all the
NS>> Ukrainian people understand that their "austerity" will mean
NS>> poverty and hardship in the service of their "fiscal
NS>> responsibility."
ak> Ukrainians see it now. The facking psychopaths that captured the power,
ak> like rabid germs, have actually dismantled the Ukrainian economy and the
ak> balance between two parts of Ukrainians. And in addition they created a
ak> bloody wall that has made the things much more difficult to solve.
It is an oil war. That is the only explanation I can come up with
that makes any modicum of sense. How can a people who had done fine
for decades suddenly opt for war when war was never necessary?
NS>> And then you offer your alternative. If Ukraine joins the Eurasian
NS>> Union, Russia will not merely lend it the money to carry its debt
NS>> in return for austerity. It will wipe out the debt entire by
NS>> purchasing the Crimea from Ukraine. You're Vladimir Putin. With the
NS>> stakes this high you can afford to do it.
ak> The problem is not is Crimea, the problem is in the inhabitant of the
ak> Crimea. The West must understand that it is a propaganda lie that those
ak> people had voted for separation from Ukraine under Russia's threats and
ak> gun barrels. The West must understand that even the bitter truth is
ak> better than a lie. The West must understand what the Crimean population
ak> really think about the situation on the peninsula. Then it will stop
ak> save these people from themselves.
I do not know, and can only venture to guess, but the population
of Crimea (before any vote was taken) was probably 90% to 95% Russian
speakers. Am I right? I'm willing to bet I am not far off.
Language defines a culture of a people. I know this being Cajun.
It is not about race or nationality. Society and culture are two
different things.
NS>> You're Vladimir Putin, formerly of the KGB. You're Vladimir Putin,
NS>> and if you've learned nothing else there, you've learned how to
NS>> make an offer that can't be refused.
ak> If the US thinks that Ukrainian should join the West they should give
ak> the same right to the second part of Ukraine, which wants another way.
ak> That will be democracy. We live in 21st century, and we should accept
ak> divorces rather that killing our wives when they are going to leave us.
Ukraine must be allowed to be Ukraine. Nobody is boss of Ukrainians
except Ukrainians themselves. As such, Ukrainians must be allowed to
decide their own future. For themselves.
--Lee
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