Hi, Lee Lofaso!   
   I read your message from 19.06.2015 00:03   
      
      
     NS> dream of of your place in history as the creator of this Eurasian   
     NS> Union.   
      
     NS> And an independent sovereign Ukraine with a government you can deal   
     NS> with is the key. For the core around which the Eurasian Union has   
     NS> to be built, is the very same core whose disintegration doomed the   
     NS> Soviet Union -- Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Ukraine. Alone,   
     NS> these four states, would already be the core of a Eurasian Union.   
     NS> But if the globalized American dominated west swallows Ukraine it   
     NS> can never be.   
      
   ... with a government, but with the government that is democratically    
   elected and is supported by all the Ukrainian people, not only one part.    
   Only blind cannot see that Ukraine has been split in two parts for a    
   long time. This split has a long history. If you are interested who    
   burned the USSR civilians in WWII on the lands occupied by fascists you    
   will know that those people were not Germans, but they were western    
   Ukrainians who served as Nazi police. In short, two parts of Ukraine are    
   divided by hatred, and democracy and elections _were_ the only thing to    
   keep them together as a state. When the results of elections were    
   tramped by the Kiev's events in 2014 it became clear that the only way    
   available for such an Ukraine is not a building of a strong single    
   state, but a war. Those Americans (senator Mc Cain - you are the first!)    
   who inspired Ukrainian people to overthrow the elected President and    
   Government are actually responsible for the blood that flows there now.   
      
     NS> You're Vladimir Putin and you cannot allow Ukraine to join either   
     NS> NATO or the European Union. And you won't. The military force you   
     NS> have assembled on its eastern borders is the stick. But once there   
     NS> is a Ukrainian government you can deal with, you have an even   
     NS> mightier carrot to wield.   
      
   It's is provocative and mean to compare Ukraine with an animal that is    
   directed by Russia with a carrot. The main concern of Russia is millions    
   of (Russian) Ukrainians that do not support the things that happened in    
   Kiev in the spring of 2014. Actually when President Yanukovich was    
   overthrown by the crowd in Kiev, these people were robbed of their    
   choice and their right to choose their destiny.   
      
     NS> Let the European Union and its Troika strong-arm banking enforcers   
     NS> lay their severe economic demands on the table so that all the   
     NS> Ukrainian people understand that their "austerity" will mean   
     NS> poverty and hardship in the service of their "fiscal   
     NS> responsibility."   
      
   Ukrainians see it now. The facking psychopaths that captured the power,    
   like rabid germs, have actually dismantled the Ukrainian economy and the    
   balance between two parts of Ukrainians. And in addition they created a    
   bloody wall that has made the things much more difficult to solve.   
      
     NS> And then you offer your alternative. If Ukraine joins the Eurasian   
     NS> Union, Russia will not merely lend it the money to carry its debt   
     NS> in return for austerity. It will wipe out the debt entire by   
     NS> purchasing the Crimea from Ukraine. You're Vladimir Putin. With the   
     NS> stakes this high you can afford to do it.   
      
   The problem is not is Crimea, the problem is in the inhabitant of the    
   Crimea. The West must understand that it is a propaganda lie that those    
   people had voted for separation from Ukraine under Russia's threats and    
   gun barrels. The West must understand that even the bitter truth is    
   better than a lie. The West must understand what the Crimean population    
   really think about the situation on the peninsula. Then it will stop    
   save these people from themselves.   
      
     NS> You're Vladimir Putin, formerly of the KGB. You're Vladimir Putin,   
     NS> and if you've learned nothing else there, you've learned how to   
     NS> make an offer that can't be refused.   
      
   If the US thinks that Ukrainian should join the West they should give    
   the same right to the second part of Ukraine, which wants another way.    
   That will be democracy. We live in 21st century, and we should accept    
   divorces rather that killing our wives when they are going to leave us.   
      
   Bye, Lee!   
   Alexander Koryagin   
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