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   BOB KLAHN to LEE LOFASO   
   Impeach the President   
   11 Jan 15 00:03:00   
   
    ...   
      
    LL> Republicans are blaming it all on Clinton.  I am not making   
    LL> this up.  I'll have to find the url again for the article,   
    LL> but they put the blame squarely on Clinton.   
      
    LL> Hillary Rodham Clinton.  She was the brains behind getting   
    LL> rid of Richard M. Nixon.  And now Republicans want their   
    LL> revenge.   
      
    Hillary was a nobody backstage worker. Republicans want to paint   
    her as the lead, to shore up their base. Hillary would like to   
    claim the glory for removing a corrupt president.   
      
    Neither is true.   
      
    ...   
      
    LL>>> with Gerald Ford losing a very close race to Jimmy Carter.   
      
    BK>> I blame the pardon for that.   
      
    LL> Gerald Ford made a deal with Rihard Nixon in order to become   
    LL> Vice President.  We all know what that deal was.  Upon   
    LL> becoming President, Ford was to grant Nixon a full pardon   
    LL> for all crimes committed.  Which is exactly what Ford did.   
      
    I doubt that very much. Ford owed Nixon nothing. He was   
    persuaded it was the best thing for the country. He believed the   
    lie.   
      
    ...   
      
    LL> Richard Nixon had some dirt on Gerald Ford.  He would not   
    LL> have appointed Ford as vice president unless he had an   
    LL> insurance card.   
      
    I doubt that very much. Nixon was dishonest, but not really good   
    at it.   
      
    ...   
      
    LL> President Ford's mistake was telling the American people   
    LL> that he had not made a deal with Nixon.   
      
    Ford's mistake was in granting the pardon.   
      
    LL> You see, the American people would have gotten mad at him,   
    LL> but plainly understood, if Ford had said he made a deal with   
      
      
      
    LL> Nixon so that he could become President.  Whether it was   
    LL> true or not was irrelevant.  It is what the American people   
    LL> would have believed.   
      
    That part is true.   
      
    LL> When Nixon resigned from office, people were still talking   
    LL> about Nixon.  Nobody cared about Ford.  Nobody was talking   
    LL> about Ford as president or anything else.  It was all about   
    LL> Nixon, and only Nixon.   
      
    And Ford was the hero who saved us from Nixon. I am convinced   
    Ford could have won the election if he hadn't pardoned Nixon. He   
    was much better known than Carter, much more qualified, and I   
    would have voted for him.   
      
    That was back in the days when we had decent republicans.   
      
    LL> President Ford had to do something to change the subject.   
    LL> To do that, he had two choices -   
      
    He didn't need to change the subject, he had a free ride into   
    re-election.   
      
    ...   
      
    LL>>> That was back in 1976, when politicians still had brains.   
      
    BK>> Oh, you already made that point.   
      
    LL> Except for Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms.   
    LL> But they were born that way, kind of like Lady GaGa.   
      
    Don't insult Lady GaGa that way. Ok, I don't know anything about   
    Lady GaGa, but I'll bet you insulted her.   
      
    LL>>> Fast forward to 2000, the beginning of the end of politics.   
      
    BK>> I think the Nixon pardon was. It was the start on the downhill   
    BK>> slope.   
      
    LL> Richard Nixon was a terrible president.   Gerald Ford was   
    LL> not much better, given the number of times he used the veto   
    LL> pen.  Jimmy Carter was an exceptional leader, having a   
    LL> higher percentage of legislation passed than any president   
    LL> in history, including LBJ.   
      
    Carter got legislation passed, but he still didn't know how to   
    handle a crises. He was a manager, not a leader.   
      
    LL> Ronald Reagan was a decent   
    LL> actor, a popular president, but did not accomplish much of   
    LL> anything during his time in office.   
      
    Other than tripling the national debt, and reversing a decades   
    long decline in the Debt to GDP ratio.   
      
    LL> Bush41 sought to bring about a "New World Order".   
      
    Republicans like to pretend that never happened.   
      
    ...   
      
    LL> Bill Clinton was the most beloved president   
    LL> of our times,   
      
    And that irritates the hell out of the right wing.   
      
    LL> getting along with members of both parties in   
    LL> Congress, and leaving office with the highest popularity   
    LL> rating in American history.   
      
    Well, first he had to beat the republicans with a rolled up   
    newspaper, but after that...   
      
    LL> Bush43 managed to mangle the   
    LL> English language in ways unimaginable, and is best   
    LL> forgotten.   
      
    Not until he goes to prison.   
      
    LL> Barack Obama is the black man's best friend,   
    LL> and the black man's worst enemy, depending on which version   
    LL> of black history you want to believe.   
      
    As well as the best candidate we have had on either side in the   
    last two presidential elections.   
      
    To many that's damning with faint praise, and considering his   
    opponents, I can't say it isn't.   
      
    LL> And then there is Hillary Rodham Clinton.  The 45th   
    LL> President of the United States ...   
      
    Hillary or any republican will likely go down in history as the   
    last president of the US.   
      
    ...   
      
    BK>> He should have finished at least 2 yrs of his second term, but I   
    BK>> don't think resigning would have done that much good, and it   
    BK>> would have encouraged the right to do that over and over.   
      
    LL> On second thought, Bill Clinton should have run for a third   
    LL> consecutive term, the 22nd Amendement be damned ...   
      
    Nah, that would be overstaying his welcome. Always leave them   
    wanting more. As a musician you should know that.   
      
    LL>>> President Gore would easily   
    LL>>> have defeated the Republican upstart, George W. Bush, and   
    LL>>> there would have been no 9-11.   
      
    BK>> The first part is questionable, but surely possible, the second   
    BK>> could very well have been true.   
      
    LL> There are rumors that brother Jeb set charges in the WTC   
    LL> Towers which is the real reason they came tumbling down.   
    LL> Or maybe it was brother Neil.  Sometimes those conspiracy   
    LL> theories get confusing ...   
      
    None of the above. They didn't need to, they were just so   
    incompetent that the would never pull it off, and too stupid to   
    prevent it.   
      
    LL>>> We all know what happened next.  Al Gore won the presidency,   
    LL>>> but was never allowed to hold his properly elected office.   
      
    BK>> Yep. Which could possibly be the fatal blow to this country.   
      
    LL> Nah.  Al Gore says it will be abrupt climate change (global   
    LL> warming).  And he might very well be right.  I cannot   
    LL> imagine Republicans ever running out of hot air.  Can you?   
      
    Well, this country may fall long before climate change brings it   
    down. One more republican president, either Romney or Jeb, could   
    insure that.   
      
    Climate change will do the rest in the long run, unless it is   
    reversed by the drastic reduction in use of fossile fuel due to   
    the collapse of the world's economy under Mitt or Jeb.   
      
    ...   
      
    BK>> He also suffers from foot in mouth disease. Sad.   
      
    LL> All the more reason for Republicans NOT to impeach Obama ...   
      
    All the more reason for Republicans to try to get rid of Obama.   
    Obama is far more competent than any of his presumed successors.   
      
      
      
   BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn   
      
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