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|    BOB KLAHN to LEE LOFASO    |
|    Impeach the President    |
|    11 Jan 15 00:03:00    |
       ...               LL> Republicans are blaming it all on Clinton. I am not making        LL> this up. I'll have to find the url again for the article,        LL> but they put the blame squarely on Clinton.               LL> Hillary Rodham Clinton. She was the brains behind getting        LL> rid of Richard M. Nixon. And now Republicans want their        LL> revenge.               Hillary was a nobody backstage worker. Republicans want to paint        her as the lead, to shore up their base. Hillary would like to        claim the glory for removing a corrupt president.               Neither is true.               ...               LL>>> with Gerald Ford losing a very close race to Jimmy Carter.               BK>> I blame the pardon for that.               LL> Gerald Ford made a deal with Rihard Nixon in order to become        LL> Vice President. We all know what that deal was. Upon        LL> becoming President, Ford was to grant Nixon a full pardon        LL> for all crimes committed. Which is exactly what Ford did.               I doubt that very much. Ford owed Nixon nothing. He was        persuaded it was the best thing for the country. He believed the        lie.               ...               LL> Richard Nixon had some dirt on Gerald Ford. He would not        LL> have appointed Ford as vice president unless he had an        LL> insurance card.               I doubt that very much. Nixon was dishonest, but not really good        at it.               ...               LL> President Ford's mistake was telling the American people        LL> that he had not made a deal with Nixon.               Ford's mistake was in granting the pardon.               LL> You see, the American people would have gotten mad at him,        LL> but plainly understood, if Ford had said he made a deal with                             LL> Nixon so that he could become President. Whether it was        LL> true or not was irrelevant. It is what the American people        LL> would have believed.               That part is true.               LL> When Nixon resigned from office, people were still talking        LL> about Nixon. Nobody cared about Ford. Nobody was talking        LL> about Ford as president or anything else. It was all about        LL> Nixon, and only Nixon.               And Ford was the hero who saved us from Nixon. I am convinced        Ford could have won the election if he hadn't pardoned Nixon. He        was much better known than Carter, much more qualified, and I        would have voted for him.               That was back in the days when we had decent republicans.               LL> President Ford had to do something to change the subject.        LL> To do that, he had two choices -               He didn't need to change the subject, he had a free ride into        re-election.               ...               LL>>> That was back in 1976, when politicians still had brains.               BK>> Oh, you already made that point.               LL> Except for Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms.        LL> But they were born that way, kind of like Lady GaGa.               Don't insult Lady GaGa that way. Ok, I don't know anything about        Lady GaGa, but I'll bet you insulted her.               LL>>> Fast forward to 2000, the beginning of the end of politics.               BK>> I think the Nixon pardon was. It was the start on the downhill        BK>> slope.               LL> Richard Nixon was a terrible president. Gerald Ford was        LL> not much better, given the number of times he used the veto        LL> pen. Jimmy Carter was an exceptional leader, having a        LL> higher percentage of legislation passed than any president        LL> in history, including LBJ.               Carter got legislation passed, but he still didn't know how to        handle a crises. He was a manager, not a leader.               LL> Ronald Reagan was a decent        LL> actor, a popular president, but did not accomplish much of        LL> anything during his time in office.               Other than tripling the national debt, and reversing a decades        long decline in the Debt to GDP ratio.               LL> Bush41 sought to bring about a "New World Order".               Republicans like to pretend that never happened.               ...               LL> Bill Clinton was the most beloved president        LL> of our times,               And that irritates the hell out of the right wing.               LL> getting along with members of both parties in        LL> Congress, and leaving office with the highest popularity        LL> rating in American history.               Well, first he had to beat the republicans with a rolled up        newspaper, but after that...               LL> Bush43 managed to mangle the        LL> English language in ways unimaginable, and is best        LL> forgotten.               Not until he goes to prison.               LL> Barack Obama is the black man's best friend,        LL> and the black man's worst enemy, depending on which version        LL> of black history you want to believe.               As well as the best candidate we have had on either side in the        last two presidential elections.               To many that's damning with faint praise, and considering his        opponents, I can't say it isn't.               LL> And then there is Hillary Rodham Clinton. The 45th        LL> President of the United States ...               Hillary or any republican will likely go down in history as the        last president of the US.               ...               BK>> He should have finished at least 2 yrs of his second term, but I        BK>> don't think resigning would have done that much good, and it        BK>> would have encouraged the right to do that over and over.               LL> On second thought, Bill Clinton should have run for a third        LL> consecutive term, the 22nd Amendement be damned ...               Nah, that would be overstaying his welcome. Always leave them        wanting more. As a musician you should know that.               LL>>> President Gore would easily        LL>>> have defeated the Republican upstart, George W. Bush, and        LL>>> there would have been no 9-11.               BK>> The first part is questionable, but surely possible, the second        BK>> could very well have been true.               LL> There are rumors that brother Jeb set charges in the WTC        LL> Towers which is the real reason they came tumbling down.        LL> Or maybe it was brother Neil. Sometimes those conspiracy        LL> theories get confusing ...               None of the above. They didn't need to, they were just so        incompetent that the would never pull it off, and too stupid to        prevent it.               LL>>> We all know what happened next. Al Gore won the presidency,        LL>>> but was never allowed to hold his properly elected office.               BK>> Yep. Which could possibly be the fatal blow to this country.               LL> Nah. Al Gore says it will be abrupt climate change (global        LL> warming). And he might very well be right. I cannot        LL> imagine Republicans ever running out of hot air. Can you?               Well, this country may fall long before climate change brings it        down. One more republican president, either Romney or Jeb, could        insure that.               Climate change will do the rest in the long run, unless it is        reversed by the drastic reduction in use of fossile fuel due to        the collapse of the world's economy under Mitt or Jeb.               ...               BK>> He also suffers from foot in mouth disease. Sad.               LL> All the more reason for Republicans NOT to impeach Obama ...               All the more reason for Republicans to try to get rid of Obama.        Obama is far more competent than any of his presumed successors.                            BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn              ... Schizofrenia:You hear what others don't hear. 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