BK>>>> So, my musing analysis leads to this question, when you reach the   
     BK>>>> point where you can't actually tell if a computer's response is   
     BK>>>> just a program line, or actual intelligence, can that be   
     BK>>>> considered the dividing line between programming and artificial   
     BK>>>> intelligence?   
      
    AK> Suppose you have two logical tasks. They can be done both   
    AK> by a human or a robot. The dividing line that exists   
    AK> between a human and robot lies not in the logic. A live   
    AK> being can feel happiness, emotions, love -- in short things   
    AK> that cannot be programmed or defined as an algorithm.   
      
    I don't know whether or not they could someday be programmed,   
    however, I do see where an artificial intelligence could be a   
    sociopath.   
      
    AK> So, there is no difference between programming and   
    AK> artificial intelligence. And we can also say that human   
    AK> feelings have nothing to do with intelligence, and human   
      
    That is a possible part of the definition.   
      
    AK> feelings never will be programmed in robots. Because the   
      
    If you programmed the responses to mimic human feelings to the   
    point where no one could tell the difference, would there be a   
    difference?   
      
    AK> core of the matter is a human consciousness, that is an   
    AK> incorporial thing. More of that, nobody understand it, not   
    AK> speaking about reproduction.   
      
    That is why I am musing on the questions. We do not know much   
    about it, thus how do we judge it?   
      
     AK>>> A strange question. How do you suppose to create artificial   
     AK>>> intelligence without programming? So, according to atheists   
      
     BK>> Well, they would. The question is, when is the programming good   
     BK>> enough to be intelligence?   
      
    AK> Making robots is easy. They can do (repeat) any intelligent   
    AK> tasks. But nobody knows how to create consciousness and   
    AK> awareness of self. Or to understand what is inspiration....   
      
    Not yet. Does intelligence require awareness of self? All that I   
    don't believe anyone knows, but a lot of self anointed   
    philosophers will proclaim thier truths as if they were truths.   
      
      
   BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn   
      
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