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|    BOB KLAHN to ALL    |
|    Thank you Libertarians.    |
|    12 Aug 14 09:38:00    |
       Libertarian is the least definable political philosophy I can        think of. It pretty much means what ever the speaker wants it        to. Typically self described libertarians say the only purpose        of government is to protect the nation from invaders and        criminals. More recently some have boiled that down to        preventing violent attacks.               What they cannot explain is, just how does any society survive        when there is no government agency enforcing laws against        non-violent crime? How does a society survive when there is no        non-violent crime?               If snake oil salesmen have the right to sell anything with no        regard to honesty, when no one has to keep a contract, when        there are no standards of conduct other than don't hit people,        what kind of society can survive?               It's even non-violent if the neighbors decide to use your front        lawn as the city dump, so how does a libertarian government        prevent that?               Well, now we are seeing the blessings of libertarian thinking,        and it's expensive. The Toledo Ohio area had half a million        people without drinking water for three days because of algae        growing excessively in Lake Erie. Turns out this is a world        wide phenomena, and is the result of excess phosophorus in the        water. The excess phosophorus comes from fertilizer run off, as        a known cause, and fossil fuel production as a secondary,        suggested cause.               Libertarian thinking says the government has no business        regulating fertilizer usage to reduce run off, after all, it        isn't a violent act. Yet the cost is paid by the people        downstream, and without some control that cost can be fatal.               So, now are we going to have to fight the libertarians when we        try to reduce fertilizer run off? Or are they going to let their        beliefs just lie dormant when it's inconvenient to defend them?        Seems this is the best objection to libertarianism, at least the        current brand, you will find.                     BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn              ... Libertarians don't build bridges.        * Silver Xpress V4.5/P [Reg]       --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.0pr5        * Origin: Fidonet In Your Language > DocsPlace.org (1:123/140)    |
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