Hello Bob,   
      
    BK>>> Being insulted is not ground for shooting up the place, and   
    BK>>> killing people. It is not grounds for seizing power. Now, how   
    BK>>> many Russian people live there? And why are Russians living in   
    BK>>> Ukraine and claiming the right to decide who rules the country?   
      
    LL>> Who has. the right to decide who gets to stay and who must   
      
    BK>   Those who were there first? OK, democracy over all other   
    BK>   systems.   
      
   Mob rule?  Vigilante justice?  That is the true meaning of democracy.   
   Not that there is justice or equality for all.  Such has never been the   
   case, in any society, at any time in history.   
      
    LL>> leave? Palestinians claim Israelis stole their land.  And   
      
    BK>   The UN did.   
      
   The UN legitimized the partition of Palestine so the world could   
   sleep in peace at night.  Neither Arab nor Jew was happy, both sides   
   rejecting the partition of the land each side claimed as their own.   
      
    BK>   ...   
      
    LL>> other peoples from far away were allowed to settle and   
    LL>> literally steal that land from the proper owners.   
      
    BK>   Those displaced by war often do that, through out history. From   
    BK>   what I read, the frightening thing about Attilla the Hun is, he   
    BK>   was the loser in the wars where he came from.   
      
   And poisoned by a lover (probably for being spurned).   
      
    LL>> Of course, we did much the same thing in regards to Native   
    LL>> Americans, forcing them to live on reservations which we had   
    LL>> so conveniently set aside for them.   
      
    BK>   Yep.   
      
   Oil companies tricked Native Americans into signing "leases" on   
   lands that Native Americans owned, which gave ownership of those   
   lands (including all mineral rights, etc.) to the oil companies.   
   Today, the land is sinking and the water is rising.  The people   
   have to relocate, but have no money to do so.   
      
    LL>> Hell, we were so damned nice to Injuns that we denied them   
    LL>> the right to vote - until Bill Clinton took office.  And now   
    LL>> look at what they are doing to us.  Those same Injuns are   
    LL>> taking us to court in order to keep our oil companies from   
    LL>> fracking on the land that we gave them to live on!   
      
    BK>   Dang it! How come they get it right but our representatives get   
    BK>   it so wrong?   
      
   Taxation without representation used to be reason for revolution.   
   But not any more.  Today it is standard operating procedure.   
      
    LL>> According to the CIA, Libyans are the most patriotic people   
    LL>> on Earth.  For decades, they looked upon their leader as   
    LL>> being the most honest and trustworthy man who ever lived.   
      
    BK>   Well, since they might be killed for saying anything else...   
      
   Depends on where they said it.  In the USA they said anything   
   they wanted.  In Libya they said whatever their leader wanted.   
      
    LL>> there.  Yes, my friend, Libyans loved Billy Beer, which is   
      
    BK> No wonder they had problems.   
      
   Brother Jimmy was wrong when saying "I am not my brother's keeper."   
   As President of the United States, he (unofficially) sent Billy on a   
   secret mission to deal with the Libyan madman.  When the press found   
   out about it, Jimmy had to deny everything else get himself impeached   
   and removed from office by members of his own political party.  And   
   that would have been truly embarrassing.  Even for a peanut farmer.   
      
    BK>>> Russia maybe not, Putin I'm not so sure of.   
      
   Putin is the best damn clerk the KGB ever had.   
   Of that you can be absolutely sure of.   
      
    BK>>> Afghanistan was the base for the 9-11 attack. Iraq was a war for   
    BK>>> oil. We should have been out of Afghanistan quickly, and never   
    BK>>> in Iraq. I was talking about the republican reaction to a screw   
    BK>>> up series of wars, vs doing nothing or something now.   
      
    BK>   ...   
      
    LL>> example, President Bush was warned well ahead of time that   
    LL>> terrorists were planning such a strike, yet chose to   
    LL>> nothing to prevent it.   
      
    BK> His bosses at the Project for a New American Century over ruled   
    BK> him. It was their excuse to have the war they so long wanted.   
      
   A president's job is to follow, not lead.  FDR knew that.   
   When the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor the American people knew   
   we were at war.  And so did FDR.  He called Congress into   
   session and made an announcement that America was at war   
   with the Empire of Japan.  The people led, the president   
   followed.  See how that works?   
      
   In GWB's case, the Project for a New American Century replaced   
   the people.  That is why things did not work out so well for Boy   
   George as they did for FDR.   
      
   But then FDR was a GREAT MAN ...   
      
    BK> Louis Farrakahn deleted.   
      
   Nobody can ever delete Minister Farrakahn ...   
      
    LL>> Did the President know about an impending terrorist attack   
    LL>> and deliberately choose to do nothing, knowing no wartime   
    LL>> President has ever lost a bid for re-election?  Did   
      
    BK> Hid daddy did, but he ended his war too soon.   
      
   Harry S Truman brought our troops home from Europe rather   
   than force a confrontation with the USSR.   
      
   During the Korean conflict, Truman refused to allow General   
   MacArthur to invade China, retiring MacArthur from active duty.   
      
   Dwight D. Eisenhower won election as a war hero.   
      
   John F. Kennedy won election as a war hero.   
      
   John McCain would have won election as a war hero,   
   but GWB falsely accused him of fathering non-white   
   children and that was the end of that campaign.   
      
    LL>> is Minister Farrakhan full of bunk?   
      
    BK> Yes.   
      
   And you know this how?   
      
    AK>>>> It is not correct. Ask people from Israel or the US what an   
    AK>>>> invasion looks like. So far you can't tell of Russian   
    AK>>>> "invasion". People must be very accurate in such things.   
      
    BK>>> Putin has backed off. However, it certainly appeared he wanted   
    BK>>> to cut the Ukraine up.   
      
    LL>> It was never Putin's intention to invade Ukraine.   
      
    BK> He might not have intended to, he probably figured it would all   
    BK> be done by proxy.   
      
   Better to get somebody to do it for you - especially if it is   
   at his/her expense rather than yours.   
      
    LL>> The US Congress authorized the use of force in regards to   
    LL>> Iraq so that President Bush could force Saddam Hussein to   
    LL>> back down - thus allowing UN inspectors to continue their   
    LL>> work in Iraq. How did that work out?  Instead of diplomacy,   
      
    BK> That part worked out perfectly.   
      
   Of course it did.  Congresscritters never make mistakes.   
      
    LL>> our fine President chose WAR.  We were the aggressor.  Iraq   
    LL>> did not attack the US. We attacked Iraq.   
      
    BK> That was the catch, the Bush puppet masters never intended   
    BK> anything but invasion.   
      
   War under false pretenses.   
   Make a whole bunch of excuses, invade,   
   then say we did it because we could.   
      
    LL>> Did Russia invade Crimea?  No.   
    LL>> Did Russia invade Ukraine?  No.   
      
    LL>> The people of Crimea made their own choice to join Russia.   
    LL>> Nobody forced them to do that.  A vote was held, and it was   
    LL>> really no contest.   
      
    BK> There is no way to really know that. Who counted the votes?   
      
   The people of Crimea counted the votes.   
   Whether they counted those votes accurately   
   or not accurately is anybody's guess.   
   But I seriously doubt anybody other than   
   the people of Crimea counted the votes.   
      
    BK> So nice to have your absurdities back.   
      
   Why does man do the things he does?   
   In the words of Pierre Boull‚ - "Because it is absurd."   
      
   --Lee   
      
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