Hi, BOB KLAHN!   
   I read your message from 30.04.2014 02:18   
      
     BK> Read a column by Gwynne Dyer, yesterday's paper. He believes the   
     BK> Ukraine crisis won't lead to WWIII. His theory is, nobody is going   
     BK> to push it that far, the last two world wars taught them the   
     BK> lesson, it's not worth it.   
      
     BK> As he said, "That is why, even as Russian tanks drive right up to   
     BK> Ukraine's eastern borders, and the Ukrainian army prepares to die   
     BK> in a fight it knows it would lose, nobody else in europe is getting   
     BK> ready for war. If the Russians want part or all of Ukraine, they   
     BK> can have it-and pay the long term price for taking it, which would   
     BK> be very high. But nothing in Eurpoe is worth blowing all of Europe   
     BK> up for."   
      
     BK> I wonder about that. I wonder if, maybe, he's got it backwards. I   
     BK> wonder if the result of doing nothing might not be what leads to   
     BK> the war nobody wants.   
      
     BK> We have long been told that Hitler might have been stopped,   
     BK> probably would have been stopped, if the other nations had stepped   
     BK> in with his first aggression against the Sudentenland, against   
     BK> Austria, against those who could not defend themselves.   
      
     BK> What makes anyone think Putin is any less than Hitler?   
      
   Your words are a twaddle unless you see the columns of Russian tanks and    
   troops marching along the Ukraine roads. Ukraine is similar Yugoslavia.    
   It is also not a country of a single nation. It is also separated. It is    
   also true that in general one part of it hates another. And no wonder    
   that in WWII one part hailed Hitler's troops and fought on its side,    
   while another part fought with Hitler in a guerilla war.   
      
   Who told you that countries cannot split up? Why do you think that    
   Ukraine cannot split like Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia? It is not    
   pro-Russian forces are fighting in eastern Ukraine. It is the Russian    
   people who always lived there, in eastern and southern Ukraine, and they    
   were extremely insulted when pro-western rebels removed their candidate    
   (Yanukovich, who won democratic elections) from power. Rebels in Kiev    
   were minority, but they captured power by force, violating all    
   democratic institutions and election results.   
      
   Putin is not Hiller, just because Russia is not a fascist Germany.    
   Russia doesn't want to rule over the world and topple those governments    
   it doesn't like. It is somebody else.   
      
     BK> When Obama declared he was pulling our troops out of Afghanistan   
     BK> and Iraq the Republicans ranted and raved about how no one would   
     BK> ever trust us, because we abandoned an ally. Yet the governments of   
     BK> Iraq and Afghanistan were never allies, they were client states and   
     BK> corrupt in the extreme.   
      
   It easy to explain. When you conquer a country _by military invasion_    
   you, as a rule, can find collaborators only among bastards, traitors and    
   thieves. So, it is no wonder when you see a high level of corruption    
   inside of the countries you mentioned above.   
      
     BK> No matter what the status of the Ukraine and it's government,   
     BK> Russia is clearly an outside invader. Failing to come to their aid   
     BK> would be a clear sign to Putin that the West really is too weak to   
     BK> stop him. Not too militarily weak, on that we outweigh them in   
     BK> spade, but too weak morally.   
      
   It is not correct. Ask people from Israel or the US what an invasion    
   looks like. So far you can't tell of Russian "invasion". People must be    
   very accurate in such things.   
      
   Bye, BOB!   
   Alexander Koryagin   
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