...   
      
   BK>>The point of affirmative action is to insure success is   
   BK>>distributed regardless of race. Only those who oppose AA must   
   BK>>believe there is no racial compenent to poverty.   
      
    LL> The point of affirmative action is to discriminate in favor   
    LL> of minorities - in most cases meaning blacks.  Once equality   
      
    You really are not familar with the history of affirmative   
    action, are you. Some years back I found one of the annual   
    almanacs, don't recall which but one of the top ones, had   
    regular analysis of affirmative action. They found that 90% of   
    the benefits of affirmative action went to whites.   
      
    LL> has been reached, affirmative action programs are no longer   
    LL> needed and should be dismantled.  However, once inequalities   
    LL> re-emerge, affirmative action programs should be put back   
    LL> in place.  This on again/off again approach is the only way   
    LL> affirmative action programs can work in a truly fair manner.   
      
    Since Equality has not been reached, that's not relevant, yet.   
      
    ...   
      
   BK>>Which is true. We need affirmative action for all the poor in   
   BK>>America.   
      
    LL> Bob Dole said much the same thing, but wanted to change it   
    LL> from being a race-based program to being an economic-based   
      
    Which would mean, in the real world, focusing on white poor   
    first.   
      
    ...   
      
    LL>>> Black folks are more discriminatory of their own than any   
    LL>>> other race. There are dark-skinned blacks, light-skinned   
    LL>>> blacks, blacks who pass for white ...   
      
   BK>>When you are reduced to survival level your competitors are not   
   BK>>those well off, but those like you scrambling to survive.   
      
    LL> Let's see how well those who are presently on disability   
    LL> (SSDI) manage to survive when their checks are cut by 20   
    LL> percent in 2016. Let's see how those on disability manage   
    LL> to survive when conservative Republicans undo at least some   
    LL> of Ronald Reagan's 1984 reform that expanded the kinds of   
    LL> disabilities covered.   
      
    Yes, they worship the name of Reagan, but his actual policies   
    are anathema.   
      
    LL> Do you think the Congress will do anything to save the SSDI   
    LL> trust program?  By doing nothing, the cuts take effect   
      
    Not if the Tea Party can stop them.   
      
    LL> automatically. What will happen is Republican lawmakers   
    LL> will say something along the lines of "Let's compromise" to   
    LL> the Democrats, and then refuse to go along with anything   
    LL> the Democrats propose.  To obstruct, by any means   
    LL> necessary, resulting in getting exactly what they want,   
    LL> while blaming Obama at the same time.   
      
    Well, yeah, but that's their SOP.   
      
    LL> After gutting the SSDI program, Republican lawmakers will   
    LL> move on to gutting the Social Security program for retirees   
    LL> age 65 and over. Won't that be grand?   
      
    Gutting SSDI will cause so much trouble, and even trying to end   
    Social Security, the republicans will lose all the control they   
    have now.   
      
    ...   
      
    LL>  let's keep SSI and medicaid, as funding for those programs   
      
    ...   
      
    LL> Imagine that.  Folks who never worked a day in their life   
    LL> are better off than folks who worked their butts off their   
    LL> entire lives.   
      
    An awful lot of those on SSI and Medicaid have worked, and   
    Medicaid is 2/3rds the handicapped and elderly, last I checked.   
      
    ...   
      
    LL> seems to me that most folks would prefer having a bit of   
    LL> free time after having worked for sixty or seventy fucking   
    LL> years.   
      
    Trust me, you are right. Though is just seems to me like a long   
    string of days off, or a very long vacation.   
      
   BK>>When I was young they could tell us, if we succeeded in school   
   BK>>we would have jobs. Now they tell kids, if they succeed in   
   BK>>school it's less likely they will be the ones without jobs,   
   BK>>someone else will be. Not much of a guarantee.   
      
    LL> Social Security used to be a guarantee.  Not any more.   
    LL> Pensions used to be a guarantee.  Not any more.   
      
    Social security will survive, unless the republicans get so much   
    power they can eliminate it quickly enough so the resistance can   
    not get organized.   
      
    ...   
      
    BM>>> LOL.... irony as it's best... vote for the man who doesn't give a   
    BM>>> rat's ass about you.   
      
    LL>>> You have to remember - we boil our crawfish LIVE.  :)   
      
   BK>>Hmmm... that seems a bit... disturbing...   
      
    LL> Not for the crawfish.  They wave their little claws out the   
    LL> water and stare at us with those beady little eyes ...   
      
    Thinking how they would like to reverse the positions?   
      
      
   BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn   
      
   ... Wreck the Malls with Cows on Harleys (moomoomoomoomoooo moomoomoomoo).   
   --- Via Silver Xpress V4.5/P [Reg]   
    * Origin: Fidonet Since 1991 Join Us: www.DocsPlace.org (1:123/140)